So as some of you know I am building a GSR bought what was supposed to be 81.50mm fresh tanked & bored bare block with main caps girdle & oil pan as well as GSR h-beam eagle rods. Well 1st prob got home put my 81.50mm cp slugs & they floated in there ... hmm grabbed my micrometer & sure enough 82.00mm. So I contact dude and he swore up & down that I was wrong, so I drove back to his pad to prove to him, that its not what he claimed. So he gave me the RS machine itr spec 1.00mm over stamped pistons, which were what the block was bored to. he assumed they were 81.50mm because of the box they were in, I used to sell Wiseco,JE,Vertex etc Whatever is stamped on top of piston is what size above stock is if a STD stamp isnt there I explained to him & was like here u can have the RS machines 3 only & no rings. Anyways emailed CP that night & wow quick respose I had no receipt or anything just said Ive always ran & sold there products & asked if it was possible to swap my 81.50mm for 82.00mm thank God the gentleman said yes next morning drove to timbuktu Irvine Ca from the I.E. where I stay & they swapped em out cool problem solved ... so I thought. So I had the supposed GSR crank cut.010 / .25 mm & balanced to gsr eagle rods dude supplied me as well ad my cp pistons paid around $175 or so. Today started assembling block to find out interesting crank hits oil squirters hmm maybe the oil squirters I ordered from somebody were from b16 so I bent em a lil, put pistons on rods bearings on journals thats wierd the rod block a tad. So after assembling 1 cylinder I realize dude gave me an LS crank which is why squirters hit & GSR rod bearings & journals are narrower & walked back & forth. So the machine work & balance were a wash. Luckily I have NEW h-beam rods for LS crank & a clean un molested LS crank & acl std mains for it all I need is LS rod bearings & im good. So I have an 89mm stroked gsr I believe vs 87.2mm stock but im using GSR spec 11.0.1 cp pistons. Im about to oreder Golden Eagle oil squirter block offs, & bearings. Should I bother balancing the virgin LS crank & LS eagle rods & cps or is this over kill the head is fully built skunk2 tuner springs tuner 2 cams port & polish crower titanium retainers, will my compression raise above 11.0.1 with LS crank/rods with GSR spec pistons, & why didnt the LS crank LS rods gsr pistons stick out of block is it because the gsr piston pin location loweres the dome height ?

 

Balance yes.
your compression will raise, yes, you'll be close to 12's by that time.

 

Isnt it wierd that my piston is flush with block though ? Oem gasket should be fine right ? & is 91 chevron cool as long as im dyno tunned ? Im gonna be on Hondata S300 car is gonna be trailered to Do It Dyno & Bubba is going to break it in for me on there. Also if im gonna be around 220hp range are my H22 280cc injectors efficent enough ? Only differerece betwen current b18c is that it is not ported & polished JDM 10.6.1 & 81mm Churches tunned it said was fine

 

No, its not.. its fine..
you'll be fine on pump gas... break it in hard, dont let anyone else tell you otherwise, or you'll be sorry.

 

Here in southern Cali theres only a few reputable tuners Churches Bisimoto Do It Dyno I like Bubbas attitude & prices hes willing to talk to you & will give you his time, I want to use him as well because he uses dynojet or mustang or equivalent not dyna pack realistically my cars gonna put down around 215 or so we'll c not bulding a race car just a reliable daily driver street/track/drag worthy.

 

you should use the gsr bearings.

 

There isnt enough contact on the LS rod journal when you use gsr rod bearings there is a lot play I know what I need LS rod bearings. Just wondered how my engine is longer stroke yet doesnt stick out of block. The large end of GSR rods is way thinner than LS

 

that is the whole point..

how do the rods compare to each others? they are probably both LS rods, if those are the rods the same kid gave you they are more than likely LSs

 

THE PROBLEM IS SOLVED EXPLAINED SITUATION THOUROUGLY IN THREAD LS/CRANK LS/RODS 1st attempt LS crank/GSR rods not intentional the crank was supposed to be GSR turned out to be LS you CANNOT use GSR rods or bearings on an LS crank they will walk back & forth & ruin engine. RULE IS GSR CRANK GSR RODS LS CRANK LS RODS

 

you could use the gsr bearings on an ls rod, what do i know.. i'll let someone with a higher post count shine in.

oh i forgot.. you won't break 200.. peace.

 

Dude I know my **** dont run your mouth if you dont know what your talking about even if the bearing fits the egdes wont have contact with journal want as much contact to avoid spinning a bearing these are on EAGLE h-beam rods not oem. THE GSR RODS ROCK SIDE TO SIDE LS fit perfect the GSR bearing with LS rod isnt reliable for 220hp + not designed to fit on wider rod journal

 

with that compression make sure you take it to a real good tuner if your gonna be running 91 octane it can be ran on 91 pump gas but might sacrifice some hp to run safley not much room for error there and if your at 12:1 compression or higher i would run pro 2 cams or something in that range. lets remember its all about dynamic compression ratio which idealy should be between 9:1 and 11:1 with 10:1 to 11:1 range being ran on race fuel so for pump gas you want a 9:1 to 10:1 again this is ideal its not etched in stone lol but for best outcome its a range to go by

 

Well I cant afford new cams I already have stage 2 tuner 2 cams that made good power my entire set-up made 208hp 145tq on Churches dynapack, its crazy that my compression is going to bump up that high the compression calculators seem not to work with interchaged strokes idk man I like the fact of the higher compression but dont want to run the risk of detonating, this wasnt supposed to be an LS crank but I got burned I was kinda paranoid to put the 89 stroked crank in my block due to the fact I drive so much so with my stock decked b18c1 block, un-milled p72 GSR head, oem dish valves,oem head gasket, CP 11.0.1m, Eagle LS h-beams, LS crank its going to shoot up that high ?

 

try doing the calculations as a ls block if im not mistaken the deck heights are the same so its basically a ls vtec but i could be wrong so dont hold me to it its worth a try. im sure with tuning you will be fine churches is a reputable tuner from what i hear so they will take care of ya no worries

 

If your not to sure about running that compression just throw in a thicker HG on there, im pretty sure youll be fine. Ever consider e85?

 

Hahahaha

 

WTF is E85 lol Sounds like BMW chassis Race fuel what would we do with out google lol naw not running race fuel in my daily lol broke as hell

 

The Gsr bearing thing on LS rods has been done by many over the years because of the better quality of bearing material and potential of reduced friction which should equal a small power gain. They have the LS rods re-tanged to accept the bearings so the fit right. The thing is, aftermarket bearings like ACL, Cleavite, King etc are of a high quality and can be used just as effectively in a build like this, so it's up to you and you're own personal preference.

As far as your build goes and compression numbers etc, the LS rods are nearly 1mm shorter than the GSR rods which helps nullify some of that compression increase from the LS crank. In your engine with those 11:1 GSR pistons, the increased stroke combined with the shorter LS rods will drop your compression down to about 11.2-3:1 on a 3 layer headgasket (stock) which would be fine on 91 pump gas. Those cams you have will still work well on your build but your injectors will be close to, if not maxed more than likely. As far as dyno numbers go...remember people, they are just numbers that are used to determing if a certain combination of parts or tuning is good/bad, working, not working.

 

Mmh interesting so with the 89 stroked gsr block is going to only bump up a few points doesnt seen right ? I would never re-tange rods to accept narrower bearings why would you want mm's worth of material rod lip just chillin, Im running acl Race bearings LS crank LS rods LS bearings GSR block 82mm

 

huh?

 

Ya if you dont break in an engine properly have the chance of the piston rings not seating correctly, i.e. burn oil, blow smoke = loose power

 

yeah but he's saying to break it in hard or "you'll be sorry". that is extreme.

i've broken in all of my engines with a plan, but not hard, and i've had some bottom ends that have lasted longer than some people's stock engines, hehe.

i'm not saying "hard" is not a way to break it in, but it's not the only way enroute to success. i know nathan tasukon in the mid to late '90s would build his high compression sohcs and throw them right on the intertial dyno to get numbers. i mean, with like 10 miles on them. no eddy current dyno to apply different loads, etc. i'm talking a dynojet to redline. but i never felt comfortable with that, went the other way, and had no problems.

 

you dont have to beat the **** out of the motor to seat rings.
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Xr (australia)

 

damn i need to find a way to fake my post count.. it seems to work as an indicator of IQ on every forum.

 

e85 isnt race fuel its actually considered pump gas to some just need to run larger injectors to run e85