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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 06:03 PM
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My car couldn't start this morning. I got new battery, new starter, new dizzy, new water pump/timing belt/tensioner, new spark plugs/wires, changed fuel filter couple days ago.

Car started once i got home.

Did the battery test, got a 12.63V when car is not started, and 13.89-13.43V when started with AC/lights/radio on, I turned off my AC/lights/radio and got 14V.

There is fuel going to the engine.

So my dad did his own test by pulling out the negative from the battery and the car kept on running, and he told me that it should've died out.

Couple days ago when on the freeway, i notice that my car sometimes struggles and my RPM would drop a bit when on gas and sometimes I've got 300-400 low idle at a stop.

No CEL either.

And I've notice that after finish with work, while my car is under the hot sun, it has a rough start, I'll probably resolder the main relay to fix this problem.

My car is a 1995 civic LX auto with 120,XXX miles on it.

Please help! Thanks!
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 06:03 PM
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Also, when i came home from work today and the car started up easy. So i just let the car idle while i did the testing then i turned the car off and when i started up the car again it struggles to start. Then i let it run for another ten minutes and turned it off and again it was harder to start.
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 06:04 PM
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Took a look at the relay and everything is in tack. Anyone can help me out?
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 06:25 PM
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Check your timing advancement by the distributor. Sounds like you have a few issues I had a while back. I'm still having the starting issue though. Do you have to wait for the fuel pump to prime? When you turn the ignition to ONI it turns the radio on, ONII turns on the accessories and primes the fuel pump, START turns over the motor. When you are on ONII, do you have to wait for the fuel pump to prime? That's the main issue I'm having. I have to wait for the ONII to prime the fuel pump. I have a new main relay, and when the car is warm it starts right up.
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 06:31 PM
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check your grounds
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 06:34 PM
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I dont have to wait for my fuel pump to prime and i am getting fuel into the engine.

One thing i notice is that my exhaust sounds like its back firing.
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 06:56 PM
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Notice my diy ground wires was loose so I put on the stock ones on. But I'm still getting 13.89 volts from the battery when I turn on my car
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 07:05 PM
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When I turned on my AC I would get low idle and sounds like it's going to die. So I turned on and off the AC it would be normal again
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 07:38 PM
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I have the same problem but I haven't tried replacing my relay yet. (95 civic si, b18c swap)
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 08:11 PM
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I have the same problem but I haven't tried replacing my relay yet. (95 civic si, b18c swap)
Try to resolder the relay.
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 08:14 PM
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I've researched resoldering the main relay... It honestly looks like a pain, just get a new one. Honda updated all their main relays and have stronger solders OEM style (hence the new part numbers).
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 08:18 PM
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gonna take off my alternator tomorrow to have it checked out and probably have it rebuilt. and will also check timing tomorrow.
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by vtakej
I've researched resoldering the main relay... It honestly looks like a pain, just get a new one. Honda updated all their main relays and have stronger solders OEM style (hence the new part numbers).
yeah i wouldve gone that route if ive seen loose contacts, even though i have experience with soldering.
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 08:37 PM
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The backfiring suggests that the ignition timing is off or the engine is misfiring. Check the ignition timing with a timing gun. Did you install OEM plugs, wires, cap, and rotor?

Your alternator voltage output is a little low. Without load, you should read about 14.5V across the battery posts and it should not drop below 14V under load.
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
The backfiring suggests that the ignition timing is off or the engine is misfiring. Check the ignition timing with a timing gun. Did you install OEM plugs, wires, cap, and rotor?

Your alternator voltage output is a little low. Without load, you should read about 14.5V across the battery posts and it should not drop below 14V under load.
Ima check my ignition timing tomorrow.

I bought a brand new dizzy last year, along with NGK V-power plugs and non OEM wires.

My alternator reading without load was around 14.2V but never below 14V, and with load was about 13.89 with 13.33 would be my lowest reading.

Would you suggest to change out the alternator? I've got 121,xxx miles on my civic.
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 08:58 PM
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I would get a new (or rebuilt) alternator since your load voltage is low. I got one for my d16 at advanced auto for $80.
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by EG9_808
Ima check my ignition timing tomorrow.

I bought a brand new dizzy last year, along with NGK V-power plugs and non OEM wires.

My alternator reading without load was around 14.2V but never below 14V, and with load was about 13.89 with 13.33 would be my lowest reading.

Would you suggest to change out the alternator? I've got 121,xxx miles on my civic.
I think the alternator is borderline with respect to voltage output, especially under load. Have it tested at an auto parts store. This is generally a free service.

How do the spark plugs look? Have you inspected them recently?
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 09:03 PM
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Sorry OP for the threadjack... but I want to catch Ron while he's here... I've seen you posting around HT and you seem pretty knowledgeable with these cars.

I have a starting issue and I am stumped on it. Help please?
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RonJ@HT
I think the alternator is borderline with respect to voltage output, especially under load. Have it tested at an auto parts store. This is generally a free service.

How do the spark plugs look? Have you inspected them recently?
Spark plugs looks normal. Will be going to Napa tomorrow to have the alternator tested.
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by vtakej
Sorry OP for the threadjack... but I want to catch Ron while he's here... I've seen you posting around HT and you seem pretty knowledgeable with these cars.

I have a starting issue and I am stumped on it. Help please?
Where is your thread?
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 09:10 PM
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Ron I just made it.. its called "Another Starting Issue"
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 09:11 PM
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EG9, let us know how it goes. Best of luck.
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Old Jul 27, 2010 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by vtakej
EG9, let us know how it goes. Best of luck.
Thanks meng, for future reference its easier to make a new thread because more people can response to that particular issue.
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Old Jul 28, 2010 | 08:42 AM
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maybe your battery is holding a charge how old is the battery?
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Old Jul 28, 2010 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by apexi_rsx
maybe your battery is holding a charge how old is the battery?
Battery is two years old from sears I got the gold series battery
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