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Old Jul 6, 2010 | 01:15 PM
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I am about to put in the order for them, they are coming out to 110 a piece...

I am going to run 16x8 +12 offset...


I don't want to tuck them, but i do want to sit at a considerably nice ride height. It is a daily, so... going stupid low isn't on my agenda.


My question is... What size tire should i run that is going to have minimal rubbing...

I don't mind if i have to stretch the tire a bit, just nothing too crazy of a stretch...


I was thinking 205/40-16, or 205/50-16... Not sure what is best to use on a DC2 chassis... Or if those will rub, the craziest i would go is... 195/40-16


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Cant find any pictures of this...

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205 SO IT WONT RIDE LIKE DICK AND LOOK LIKE CRAP
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Old Jul 6, 2010 | 01:43 PM
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205 SO IT WONT RIDE LIKE DICK AND LOOK LIKE CRAP
--- but will it rub... and 40 or 50 height...
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Old Jul 6, 2010 | 01:57 PM
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For an Integra, 205/40-16 is too small in diameter and 205/50-16 is too large in diameter.

215/45-16 (or the nearly impossibly to find 225/40-16) is the correct size to use for an Integra on 16"x8" wheels.
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Old Jul 6, 2010 | 02:19 PM
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For an Integra, 205/40-16 is too small in diameter and 205/50-16 is too large in diameter.

215/45-16 (or the nearly impossibly to find 225/40-16) is the correct size to use for an Integra on 16"x8" wheels.
--- im not worried about diameter size... i am worrie about rubbing
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The best 16" sizes for an Integra for all reasons - performance, rubbing, etc - are either 205/45-16 or 215/45-16. However, 16x8 is too wide to use for 205/45-16, so you will be limiting yourself to 215/45-16. That's why 16x7 is generally preferred, because it gives you a wider selection of tires to choose from (16x7 will work with either size). But if you must get 16x8 wheels, then 215/45-16 is the size to use on them.
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The best 16" sizes for an Integra for all reasons - performance, rubbing, etc - are either 205/45-16 or 215/45-16. However, 16x8 is too wide to use for 205/45-16, so you will be limiting yourself to 215/45-16. That's why 16x7 is generally preferred, because it gives you a wider selection of tires to choose from (16x7 will work with either size). But if you must get 16x8 wheels, then 215/45-16 is the size to use on them.
--- 205-45... why is that too wide for it? when on the site.. people are clearly stretching like 185s and all... but thats a bit crazy.
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Originally Posted by Mfoehrkolb
--- 205-45... why is that too wide for it?
Stickied at the top of this forum is a topic:

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10. Do not ask about "stretching" tires onto wheels that are too wide. All such topics will be locked. Tire manufacturers determine the wheel widths onto which each model and size tire can be mounted safely, and you can find the range of these wheel widths in the specs on their websites as well as those of retailers like the Tire Rack. Mounting tires onto wheels outside this range of approved wheel widths is unsafe because it can, and often does, result in the buildup of excessive stress and heat in the tire sidewalls, which can lead to the tire "popping the bead" and/or tire failure. Make sure your tires are mounted on wheels whose widths are within the approved range.
Almost all 205/45-16 tires are only approved for mounting on rims 6.5-7.5 inches wide, and should not be mounted on 16x8 rims for the reason stated above in the FAQ topic.
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Old Jul 6, 2010 | 04:31 PM
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Do not ask about "stretching" tires onto wheels that are too wide

I don't know what is too wide. Or what is safe. Hence me... in this section of the forum to begin with.
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I don't know what is too wide. Or what is safe.
You can look up what the experts at the companies that manufacture the tires say is too wide and unsafe, in specs on the websites of the tire manufacturers and/or tire dealers like Tire Rack.
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You can look up what the experts at the companies that manufacture the tires say is too wide and unsafe, in specs on the websites of the tire manufacturers and/or tire dealers like Tire Rack.
--- I get my tires from a buddy who owns a used tire shop.

It never is just 1 specific brand when i get tires... The tires are matching size and brand... but it's never consistent though. So i can only go from like a ... general rule of thumb type of deal...

I spoke to him last night... what he has available is...

205/50/16

So i can get a deal with him for like 30 bucks for all of them... or go spend like 300 or more from tire rack lol. That alone would make me go 16x7 just so i can use the tire available to me.
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Old Jul 7, 2010 | 08:35 AM
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205/50-16 is too big for an Integra. It will rub.
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Old Jul 7, 2010 | 10:03 AM
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16x8 +12, if I'm not way off base here I think its gonna rub no matter what size he puts on there.... unless the fenders are pulled and rolled.
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Old Jul 7, 2010 | 10:57 AM
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http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57...unset/15-1.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2679/...b40fb079_o.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/102m7bo.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kv...f61ao2_500.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j2...ti/myblock.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...tchassshot.jpg


People are def. running 16x8's... just in ek chassis. I can't find any on a integra...



Only thing i can find similar on a integra is this white one...

16x8 +20
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagam...s/NinoDTeg.jpg

16x8 IDK OFFSET
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2126/...67f637f0_b.jpg
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Old Jul 7, 2010 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by nsxtasy
205/50-16 is too big for an Integra. It will rub.
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16x8 +12, if I'm not way off base here I think its gonna rub no matter what size he puts on there.... unless the fenders are pulled and rolled.
It's quite possible. But you and I are referring to two different things. I'm referring to the fact that 205/50-16 tires will rub because the outer diameter is too large. You're referring to the offset combined with the width, which will position the wheel/tire so far out from the car that it will rub, even with tires whose outer diameter isn't greater than stock.
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Originally Posted by nsxtasy
It's quite possible. But you and I are referring to two different things. I'm referring to the fact that 205/50-16 tires will rub because the outer diameter is too large. You're referring to the offset combined with the width, which will position the wheel/tire so far out from the car that it will rub, even with tires whose outer diameter isn't greater than stock.
--- bah... i don't know what to do now. I really don't want to spend like 400 on tires.

So... what you are saying though... 16x8 +12 won't rub by itself the rim.(inner or outer)... but with the wrong tire selection... that will rub.

So if i use a 205-45-16 i won't rub (but not rec. since its only to 7.5)... if i use a 225-45-16... will that rub since its 20mm wider than the 205?
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So if i use a 205-45-16 i won't rub (but not rec. since its only to 7.5)... if i use a 225-45-16... will that rub since its 20mm wider than the 205?
No. They will rub because they are larger in diameter.

If you want a 225 section width on a 16" wheel, you want a 225/40-16.
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Old Jul 7, 2010 | 12:44 PM
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No. They will rub because they are larger in diameter.

If you want a 225 section width on a 16" wheel, you want a 225/40-16.
---- nsx said eariler, i don't want the 205/50... 205/45 will rub too now?
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All of those pictures that you posted are of cars with modified fenders, way mis-sized tires, whacked out camber, or some combination of the three. There are plenty of people running 8" wide wheels, and there are ways to do it without sacrificing the functionality or safety of your car. +12 wheels just don't belong on a street Honda (and have limited application on an auto-x car or similar).

Originally Posted by nsxtasy
It's quite possible. But you and I are referring to two different things. I'm referring to the fact that 205/50-16 tires will rub because the outer diameter is too large. You're referring to the offset combined with the width, which will position the wheel/tire so far out from the car that it will rub, even with tires whose outer diameter isn't greater than stock.
Right. I was just adding to your point by saying that I don't think the wheels are going to fit right regardless of what tires are on it. In fact most of the cars posted above had tires that were actually sized smaller/ shorter than stock rollout to clear.

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--- bah... i don't know what to do now. I really don't want to spend like 400 on tires.

So... what you are saying though... 16x8 +12 won't rub by itself the rim.(inner or outer)... but with the wrong tire selection... that will rub.

So if i use a 205-45-16 i won't rub (but not rec. since its only to 7.5)... if i use a 225-45-16... will that rub since its 20mm wider than the 205?
a 225/45/16 is not only wider than a 205, its also taller. The aspect ratio (the second number) is a relationship between the width of the tire and the height of its sidewall. Say we have a 205/50/15 tire. The width is ~8" (203.2mm, close enough) and the aspect ratio is .50, giving us a 4" high sidewall. Across the diameter of the tire you pass the sidewall twice and the rim diameter once, so you have 4"x2+15"=23".

I referenced this chart (http://toyotires.com/tire/pattern/proxes-t1r) on toyo's website for the example's sake, and the diameter they list is 23.1" for a 205/50/15. There is a bit of discrepancy between manufacturers and models for whatever reason, but the formula should at least help you understand what is going on with sizing. Manufacturers pretty much all provide this info so that you can look up real quick what your diameter is going to be. In this case, a 205/45/16 is 23.2" and a 225/45/16 is 23.9". If you can fit that extra 7/10" in your fender, well then that's up to you.

My personal opinion is that all of those cars you showed piuctures of have wheels that fit like **** though.
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i have 225/45/16x7 on my teg and i get no rub at all but im not dumped either. my car sits like 1in off the tire or so.. but i have drag launch suspinsion also.

i had 205 45 before and it stretched a lil on a 16x7
225 45 is a lil wide but i need the traction next time ill get 215 45 and that will be great imo
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All of those pictures that you posted are of cars with modified fenders, way mis-sized tires, whacked out camber, or some combination of the three. There are plenty of people running 8" wide wheels, and there are ways to do it without sacrificing the functionality or safety of your car. +12 wheels just don't belong on a street Honda (and have limited application on an auto-x car or similar).



Right. I was just adding to your point by saying that I don't think the wheels are going to fit right regardless of what tires are on it. In fact most of the cars posted above had tires that were actually sized smaller/ shorter than stock rollout to clear.



a 225/45/16 is not only wider than a 205, its also taller. The aspect ratio (the second number) is a relationship between the width of the tire and the height of its sidewall. Say we have a 205/50/15 tire. The width is ~8" (203.2mm, close enough) and the aspect ratio is .50, giving us a 4" high sidewall. Across the diameter of the tire you pass the sidewall twice and the rim diameter once, so you have 4"x2+15"=23".

I referenced this chart (http://toyotires.com/tire/pattern/proxes-t1r) on toyo's website for the example's sake, and the diameter they list is 23.1" for a 205/50/15. There is a bit of discrepancy between manufacturers and models for whatever reason, but the formula should at least help you understand what is going on with sizing. Manufacturers pretty much all provide this info so that you can look up real quick what your diameter is going to be. In this case, a 205/45/16 is 23.2" and a 225/45/16 is 23.9". If you can fit that extra 7/10" in your fender, well then that's up to you.

My personal opinion is that all of those cars you showed piuctures of have wheels that fit like **** though.

--- What is suggested then... I mean, i took the 5 lug off my car, and went back to 4... i have steelies and the car looks like crap...

i want to buy a new wheel set up that isn't oem, and i don't want anything spoon, rota, volk etc etc. i dont want anything mainstream basically...

i am going to get widened steelies... if not 16x8.... what size in 16 would you go for (including offeset) and tire size wise....

to fit in the dc2 fenders (i do autobodya nd paint... and rolling fenders is easily done)...'
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i have 225/45/16x7 on my teg and i get no rub at all but im not dumped either. my car sits like 1in off the tire or so.. but i have drag launch suspinsion also.

i had 205 45 before and it stretched a lil on a 16x7
225 45 is a lil wide but i need the traction next time ill get 215 45 and that will be great imo
picturers? offset?
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You can fit an 8" wheel in there, I would try to stay above about a 30mm offset on a four lug setup, and above about 34mm for five lug (the 5 lug has a slightly wider track). Have you looked at the 949 6ul's at all? They are 15", but they are a well designed, strong, lightweight cast wheel and they come in 8" width and are affordable. I really like them but I'm going five lug so they are useless to me. Tons of people are racing with them and they are up to the abuse too.
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Originally Posted by 97ek-t
i have 225/45/16x7 on my teg and i get no rub at all but im not dumped either. my car sits like 1in off the tire or so.. but i have drag launch suspinsion also.

i had 205 45 before and it stretched a lil on a 16x7
225 45 is a lil wide but i need the traction next time ill get 215 45 and that will be great imo
205's stretched on a 7" rim? Thats not right, a 7" wheel is ideal for a 205...
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You can fit an 8" wheel in there, I would try to stay above about a 30mm offset on a four lug setup, and above about 34mm for five lug (the 5 lug has a slightly wider track). Have you looked at the 949 6ul's at all? They are 15", but they are a well designed, strong, lightweight cast wheel and they come in 8" width and are affordable. I really like them but I'm going five lug so they are useless to me. Tons of people are racing with them and they are up to the abuse too.
--- When i called diamond racing, he said 12offset is the highest he could go... maybe he meant lowest...

So... How about this....

my car has camber kit in the front and rear, and what do i have to order... 16x8 (what rec. offset) and what size tire... to make it work on a rolled fender dc2. I don't plan on slamming it or tucking any type of tire... maybe "hoveR" over the tire, but thats about it.



as for the "949 6ul" - i dislike them quite a bit.
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