just curious: $3400 to spend GSR swap or D16 12sec setup
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just curious: $3400 to spend GSR swap or D16 12sec setup
wussup guys,
just wondering, what some of you think. I know there are D series fans as well B series fans out there. just some opinions, but please no bashing.
GSR swap over $3400 (just parts) or $3300 for D16a6 Exospeed crate motor (all motor 12's) - just parts also
this is for someone that has totally nothing in the car at all, no modifications yet.
Wil
just wondering, what some of you think. I know there are D series fans as well B series fans out there. just some opinions, but please no bashing.
GSR swap over $3400 (just parts) or $3300 for D16a6 Exospeed crate motor (all motor 12's) - just parts also
this is for someone that has totally nothing in the car at all, no modifications yet.
Wil
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Re: just curious: $3400 to spend GSR swap or D16 12sec setup (exospeedAMcrx)
Depending on your ultimate goal...a faster car? Anyway you get it, either B series motor, D series or even H...Turbo or NA. As long as it gets you to your bottomline. Where witya all the way 
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Re: just curious: $3400 to spend GSR swap or D16 12sec setup (exospeedAMcrx)
in my opinion i think i'd go 12sec D-series. just think 12sec. street sleeper. pop the hood and they see a lonely d16a1. i'd do it, if i had the cash!
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$3400 to spend
with the b-series, you'll still have more room to grow
with the d-series, you'll be at your limit
Don't forget, to do the job right, the $3400 gsr swap will end up costing you about $5000 once you're done getting all of the adaptor peices, and swapping out the clutch, fluids, belts, etc, etc.
You'll probably end up spending the same on the D16 replacing the clutch, trans, axles, and everything else that ends up breaking because they're not made to handle that kind of power.
I would say if you want to spend $3400, get a B16 swap w/ lsd trans, and use the rest of the money to go through the engine and trans and replace everything that's worn out so you can start with a new motor and build up from there.
with the d-series, you'll be at your limit
Don't forget, to do the job right, the $3400 gsr swap will end up costing you about $5000 once you're done getting all of the adaptor peices, and swapping out the clutch, fluids, belts, etc, etc.
You'll probably end up spending the same on the D16 replacing the clutch, trans, axles, and everything else that ends up breaking because they're not made to handle that kind of power.
I would say if you want to spend $3400, get a B16 swap w/ lsd trans, and use the rest of the money to go through the engine and trans and replace everything that's worn out so you can start with a new motor and build up from there.
12s would be plenty enough for me
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Re: $3400 to spend (thumpu77)
You'll probably end up spending the same on the D16 replacing the clutch, trans, axles, and everything else that ends up breaking because they're not made to handle that kind of power.
As far as the D16A6 motor we recently built for a customer, everything isbrand new. The $3400 includes a fresh block, fresh head, ACTION 1MD clutch, new head gasket, new timing belt. new oil pump. even includes a new DC header. its 90% all redone when you it comes down to all stuff being replaced.
And on the axles breaking, they won't break because of the power, 140hp isnt really that much for axles to break that easy. its not impossible, but its not that easy.
True though, on that this is the nearing the limit of what you can do to the motor. the next level, to just go crazier on the pistons and the bore. Keep in mind this is still a 91 octane motor(around 11:1 CR). and still would get about 30mpg.
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Re: just curious: $3400 to spend GSR swap or D16 12sec setup (exospeedAMcrx)
What's the ultimate goal for the car? 12 sec D motor if you are just a street driver would be great for me. If you want a track car that should theoretically have no boundaries should go for the B.
I had an EG with a Greddy turbo. It was great for street driving. I decided I wanted a better base so I got an LS Vtec. I was happier with the D with the Greddy because I mainly used it as a daily driver. It's all at matter of opinion.
I had an EG with a Greddy turbo. It was great for street driving. I decided I wanted a better base so I got an LS Vtec. I was happier with the D with the Greddy because I mainly used it as a daily driver. It's all at matter of opinion.
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Re: $3400 to spend (exospeedAMcrx)
You'll probably end up spending the same on the D16 replacing the clutch, trans, axles, and everything else that ends up breaking because they're not made to handle that kind of power.
actually, the d16 wont be making that much power(HP wise). HP are just #'s, a 140whp d16 in a crx is totally diff from a 140whp B16 motor. each has their own torque and makes a diff in how they perform on the track. Then also VTEC, which is also another factor in differentiating the motors.
As far as the D16A6 motor we recently built for a customer, everything isbrand new. The $3400 includes a fresh block, fresh head, ACTION 1MD clutch, new head gasket, new timing belt. new oil pump. even includes a new DC header. its 90% all redone when you it comes down to all stuff being replaced.
And on the axles breaking, they won't break because of the power, 140hp isnt really that much for axles to break that easy. its not impossible, but its not that easy.
True though, on that this is the nearing the limit of what you can do to the motor. the next level, to just go crazier on the pistons and the bore. Keep in mind this is still a 91 octane motor(around 11:1 CR). and still would get about 30mpg.
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actually, the d16 wont be making that much power(HP wise). HP are just #'s, a 140whp d16 in a crx is totally diff from a 140whp B16 motor. each has their own torque and makes a diff in how they perform on the track. Then also VTEC, which is also another factor in differentiating the motors.
As far as the D16A6 motor we recently built for a customer, everything isbrand new. The $3400 includes a fresh block, fresh head, ACTION 1MD clutch, new head gasket, new timing belt. new oil pump. even includes a new DC header. its 90% all redone when you it comes down to all stuff being replaced.
And on the axles breaking, they won't break because of the power, 140hp isnt really that much for axles to break that easy. its not impossible, but its not that easy.
True though, on that this is the nearing the limit of what you can do to the motor. the next level, to just go crazier on the pistons and the bore. Keep in mind this is still a 91 octane motor(around 11:1 CR). and still would get about 30mpg.
[Modified by exospeedAMcrx, 9:49 AM 9/13/2002]
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Re: $3400 to spend (TorteX)
your motor makes 140hp and runs 12's? in what car?
but one car we built , just head work, stock bottom end, puts out 132whp.
D16A6 all motor on slicks in a crx hit 13.7's
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Re: just curious: $3400 to spend GSR swap or D16 12sec setup (exospeedAMcrx)
You guys are too funny. D or B series, maxed out or not, MOST of us will never sit in a 12 second Honda.
I'd go with the tweaked out D series, it's going to take the GSR some money to get 12s.
I'd go with the tweaked out D series, it's going to take the GSR some money to get 12s.
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Re: $3400 to spend (sicivic)
alreight
truthfullyman, i can bet that if u make a 12 sec D series motor it will be a nasty car to drive. and u will have alot of driveability probs, just because it will be totally tqweaked. u will get shitty gas maileage and in the end wont be happy. if u get a GSR motor u will have goo mileage, easy starting even in cold weather, and u will still be fast.
truthfullyman, i can bet that if u make a 12 sec D series motor it will be a nasty car to drive. and u will have alot of driveability probs, just because it will be totally tqweaked. u will get shitty gas maileage and in the end wont be happy. if u get a GSR motor u will have goo mileage, easy starting even in cold weather, and u will still be fast.
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Re: $3400 to spend (johnzm)
any d series. 1.6 is 1.6.. regardless of how many cams you have. get a d series bottom end and bulid the **** out of it, then boost / spray the **** out of it. there are 10 sec sohc crx's out there. d16 imo.
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Re: $3400 to spend (CdTriX)
i've sat in a low to mid 13 second NA GSR integra 
full interior
he blew headgasket cause he's running 13.5:1 CR on 94 octane gas
full interior he blew headgasket cause he's running 13.5:1 CR on 94 octane gas
At first I was like no, then the trade off is much better, he's quicker than the car.
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Re: $3400 to spend (CdTriX)
i've sat in a low to mid 13 second NA GSR integra full interior
he blew headgasket cause he's running 13.5:1 CR on 94 octane gas
full interior he blew headgasket cause he's running 13.5:1 CR on 94 octane gas
That's insane.......how long was it running before the headgasket blew?
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Re: $3400 to spend (exospeedAMcrx)
but one car we built , just head work, stock bottom end, puts out 132whp.
D16A6 all motor on slicks in a crx hit 13.7's
D16A6 all motor on slicks in a crx hit 13.7's
I know 2 guys who are brothers who both had hella fast CRXs with basically stock B16s... The one was street driven, but stripped to hell with just 1 seat in it.. He ran best of 13.8 on slicks with just an intake on the motor.. His brother went one step further and completley stripped the car, lexan windows, cut out the side support beams, nothing but a dash and a steering wheel. He ran a 12.9 with just a JDM DC header, and a CAI.. (dropped the exhaust, and slicks)
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Re: $3400 to spend (SiZ)
There's just too many factors to keep in mind about 1/4 times.
If you think about it, this D series motor already comes with everything you need.
Go with the 12 sec D - only because this motor is lighter than a B series. You'll rock in autox with this motor.
I've heard nothing but good about built high-compression D16A6's. They are extremely responsive, you don't have to wait for the vtec to kick in. This is definitely the way to go!
If you think about it, this D series motor already comes with everything you need.
Go with the 12 sec D - only because this motor is lighter than a B series. You'll rock in autox with this motor.
I've heard nothing but good about built high-compression D16A6's. They are extremely responsive, you don't have to wait for the vtec to kick in. This is definitely the way to go!
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Re: $3400 to spend (MrTodd)
Either way look to spend more than that amount of 12 secs. The built D series is nice, but are you going to turbo or N/A? Either way you need more than just a Built Motor. You gotta have a system of parts.
