my 86 civic SI project (oh yea....B20 sleeves are very weak. lol)
Ok I've had this car for 3 years. It has been sitting for 2 years and 364 days. lol. pretty much blew up after I bought it ( i knew nothing about imports at the time, but it was a f***ing rocket). I had no many being in school and no job so it sat. I've stored this car from friends garage to other friends garage. Now I finally have money to start on it. and so far here is what happened:
I finally got the b16 head off my b20 block........yea I heard the b20 sleeves were weak but never saw any around my area (dumb@$$es in my area think 87 camaros are bad. lol. retarded redneck town.), and yea they are weak. even with a block guard it didn't help. I didnt crack one or two cylinders. I took them all out. lol. Im debatin whether to get this b18 out of the junk yard ($50 y not), putting pistons and rods in there and getting my turbo rebuilt (cheap version)...........or sending b20 to benson to sleeve it, expensive rods and pistons. but then I would have to get bigger injectors and probably get rid of my zdyne obd0 ecu. I would be very happy with a dependable 300 hp so I may go the b18 route. but anyways this is where I am. hopefully the pics load. tell me what you guys think.
I finally got the b16 head off my b20 block........yea I heard the b20 sleeves were weak but never saw any around my area (dumb@$$es in my area think 87 camaros are bad. lol. retarded redneck town.), and yea they are weak. even with a block guard it didn't help. I didnt crack one or two cylinders. I took them all out. lol. Im debatin whether to get this b18 out of the junk yard ($50 y not), putting pistons and rods in there and getting my turbo rebuilt (cheap version)...........or sending b20 to benson to sleeve it, expensive rods and pistons. but then I would have to get bigger injectors and probably get rid of my zdyne obd0 ecu. I would be very happy with a dependable 300 hp so I may go the b18 route. but anyways this is where I am. hopefully the pics load. tell me what you guys think.
yea I was having trouble uploading pics. I will try to get more. I'm not sure if I have too many before I started tearing down, I was more worried about wrenching on it then taking pics.
EJ1 - yea I wouldn't do it either. I think I was running like 10lbs of boost. Got it like that. I wish I could get more pics for you to show you exactly how bad it was. I was thinking one cylinder would be cracked but they all are lol. I have so much metal in my oil pan its crazy. still gotta take my crank off and check to see that pistons are junk (99% sure they will be). thanx the build is no hurry cuz I've gotta get the parts together. but i'm slowly getting to it.
pwro - yea for a while there I want upwards of 450 to 500 hp, but then I started thinking that my civic is light as hell and If I went too much beyond 300 or 350 I would have to get a bigger turbo, stronger rods, bigger injector......kind of opening up more of a money pit. and plus this is my first tuner build. I can always keep my block and get it sleeved later and take my time on that one. It is also obd0 with the zdyne ecu, I've heard from some people I should swap that out and go obd1...not sure though. and I'm confused on what kit your asking about? the turbo is a (blown) 18g greddy turbo.
EJ1 - yea I wouldn't do it either. I think I was running like 10lbs of boost. Got it like that. I wish I could get more pics for you to show you exactly how bad it was. I was thinking one cylinder would be cracked but they all are lol. I have so much metal in my oil pan its crazy. still gotta take my crank off and check to see that pistons are junk (99% sure they will be). thanx the build is no hurry cuz I've gotta get the parts together. but i'm slowly getting to it.
pwro - yea for a while there I want upwards of 450 to 500 hp, but then I started thinking that my civic is light as hell and If I went too much beyond 300 or 350 I would have to get a bigger turbo, stronger rods, bigger injector......kind of opening up more of a money pit. and plus this is my first tuner build. I can always keep my block and get it sleeved later and take my time on that one. It is also obd0 with the zdyne ecu, I've heard from some people I should swap that out and go obd1...not sure though. and I'm confused on what kit your asking about? the turbo is a (blown) 18g greddy turbo.
got a b18a1 today. would rather got a c1 or c5, but cant be picky....it was only $50! will start building it soon. will the flywheel from the b20 work on the b18?
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ok. correct me if im wrong........I'm putting the vtec head on the b18 block. getting 9:1 pistons. will the ls/vtec combo mess up the compression ratio? thanx
The fly wheels are the same, as far as the compression ratio I have no idea but I have for the most part the same 9:1 ls/v set up and would like to know aswell if anyone could help out ???
But anyhow, how much psi were you on with the original B20??
But anyhow, how much psi were you on with the original B20??
well it was a few years ago when I bought it and the engine blew right when I got it. I think I was pushing 10psi but not positive. I just got the pistons and crank out. All 4 pistons had cracks between the rings. They were shot. So in total so far I have 4 cracked cylinders and 4 cracked cylinders. lol. I got a feeling I was pushing more than 10 psi.
I pulled the pistons and rods out of my junkyard b18 and they look good. will probably sell them.
and yea I would like to make sure the compression ratio is the same as what the pistons say. Does anyone know if the rods are strong? if so I could use those but I'd rather not.
I pulled the pistons and rods out of my junkyard b18 and they look good. will probably sell them.
and yea I would like to make sure the compression ratio is the same as what the pistons say. Does anyone know if the rods are strong? if so I could use those but I'd rather not.
so far i've just been tearing down the b18. just trying to get parts together. got some wiseco pistons and eagle rods.
and if you have 9:1 compression pistons and a b16 head + a .30 thick cometic you will have about a 9.2:1 compression. just to give you an idea i have 9:1 compression pistons in my b20 with a b16 milled head and a .53 thick head gasket and mine is currently 8.8:1... the GsR combustion chambers are smaller than the b16's therefore upping your compression
i would use a .60 thick head gasket on yours or maybe even the same one i had. the lower the compression the more room for error
well the pistons im getting are 8.5:1 so im thinking I will be ok if I just use a regular size head gasket......correct me if im wrong. that would probably bring it close to 9:1 because of the head?
haha ricky you responded just to say nice oil pan. lol yea they look better than stock. oil plug is at a biotch of a spot though.
haha ricky you responded just to say nice oil pan. lol yea they look better than stock. oil plug is at a biotch of a spot though.
also would putting a block guard in my b18 even be worth it? i mean they are suppose to help the top part of the cylinder but with my experience it didn't help at all. I also want to drive my car quite a bit and those don't help with cooling. I will probably pass with the block guard for now and eventually will sleeve my b20.
Hey guys got a quick question/wanting to make sure im right.....pr3 rods came only in the b16s...right? I'm kind of confused because when I pulled everything out of my b20z I noticed the rods are pr3s. (previous owner probably swapped them). the only reason I noticed this was because my eagle rods for a b18a were a bit taller. so pretty much im asking if the pr3 rods were only in the b16?
Nice hatch! Are you a member over at RPR yet? (redpepperracing.com).
We would love to follow along with you. Post a build thread there as well. Very helpful people, and many have already done this swap very successfully.
We would love to follow along with you. Post a build thread there as well. Very helpful people, and many have already done this swap very successfully.
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Spoon Si
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Good luck with the tear down and build man.

