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Old May 26, 2010 | 06:38 PM
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okay i have a 1997 acura cl with the f22b1 in it its a auto......sucks...
i need to know if their is anywhere i can get tparts for the auto to beef it up.... i need it beefed up becasue its the third one........ i have a coustom made 4-2-1 head...ground wire kit.....cam gear....fuel press. regulator......cold air intake.....wet nos kit (75 shot).......and thats it it ran 13.9 in the 1/4 mile but tranns was sipping had a big race that day aginist a gst boosted eclipise he ran 14.9 but my trans quit at the 1/8 and he still only beat me by a car.....but i know its better to switch to 5 speed just dont got the time or the ampition to do it.... so any help i would really like thanks...
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Old May 27, 2010 | 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by josephvwilliams
okay i have a 1997 acura cl with the f22b1 in it its a auto......sucks...
i need to know if their is anywhere i can get tparts for the auto to beef it up.... i need it beefed up becasue its the third one...but i know its better to switch to 5 speed just dont got the time or the ampition to do it.... so any help i would really like thanks...
to be clear, you don't have the time or "ampition" to do a manual swap but you do have the time to "beef up" an auto? please clarify.
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Old May 27, 2010 | 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by josephvwilliams
i need to know if their is anywhere i can get tparts for the auto to beef it up....
AFAIK there aren't any 'shift kits' for the Honda automatic transmissions.
The Honda A/T is more like a M/T than any other A/T. To avoid infringing on patents, Honda came up with their own design that does not use planetary gearsets. Basically they took an M/T replaced the shift forks with clutch packs and had these clutch packs actuated, hydraulically, via the shift solenoids. The shift solenoids are controlled by the TCU.

The valve body will contain a few checkballs, springs and ports to apply and bleed off pressure for proper shifting. But unless you know what port does what I would leave that well enough alone.

In the mean time just keep tabs on your transmission.
Verify that line pressure is within spec, that your throttle valve cable is adjusted correctly providing adequate pressure for the respective gear. Verify the shift solenoids are working correctly, check the pintle seats and needles for wear and tear, keep the screens clean. And after a few runs, crack the case and check on the clutch packs. Replace the clutches when they get near their wear limit.

The biggest killer of ATs is heat. If the ATF gets overheated and cooked, it will glaze the clutch packs, rendering them useless. Which will cause slip. So if you plan on beating on this transmission quite a bit, then get a larger cooler for it. Try and maintain heat below 200*F
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Old May 27, 2010 | 07:47 AM
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I love these posts that think automatic accords are race cars. Too funny! I get a laugh everytime when I read about Accords racing at the track.....or anywhere. I guess children must play.
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Old May 29, 2010 | 06:08 AM
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well stop laughing about auto accords racing auto trans are actually faster then 5 speeds. awd eagle talon turbo pulled 9s stall converter and shift kit ive seen 4dr accords pull 11s
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Old May 29, 2010 | 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by HonBeer
I love these posts that think automatic accords are race cars. Too funny! I get a laugh everytime when I read about Accords racing at the track.....or anywhere. I guess children must play.

Generally speaking I disagree with you. However on this case I do not.

An automatic trans in the F22B series is not meant for a 75 shot of nitrous. It honestly doesn't surprise me that you've blown 3 of them. None of your other modifications are really helping you. That's pretty much the nitrous doing all the work and damage.

You either need to swap out your vehicles transmission or the cheaper route would be to just sell it and buy a manual transmission one. You *may* be able to have the transmission last longer with the JDM H23 Vtec LSD automatic one but then you're just throwing tons of money away on a transmission that will blow up.
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Old May 29, 2010 | 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by accordmatt
well stop laughing about auto accords racing auto trans are actually faster then 5 speeds. awd eagle talon turbo pulled 9s stall converter and shift kit ive seen 4dr accords pull 11s

And this statement is very debateable. Obviously your auto transmission Accord isn't faster than my manual when your auto transmission grenades itself in a 1/4.....

Eagle Talons are completely different and have problems of their own, but were DESIGNED to withstand being turbo and all wheel drive. How about a Grand National GNX from back in the day? Automatic and would go circles around most automatic cars. It's because they were DESIGNED to.

And the only 4 door Accord I can think of that can do that would be extralargeeggnog (custom dogbox 5spd) and Booja, but he had a coupe. Both also have H22 swaps and are 5 speed and turbo.
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Old May 30, 2010 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by HonBeer
I love these posts that think automatic accords are race cars. Too funny! I get a laugh everytime when I read about Accords racing at the track.....or anywhere. I guess children must play.
Not offended by any sort but yes it's not a race car but rather a family car out of showroom. But can be made as shown:





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For straight line action I have my hands down on twkdcd5 and extralargenog

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Old May 31, 2010 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by HonBeer
I love these posts that think automatic accords are race cars. Too funny! I get a laugh everytime when I read about Accords racing at the track.....or anywhere. I guess children must play.
Well good sir. I'm not saying that one is better then another they both have pros and cons. However, I have to speak up for automatics in general. Automatics have better shift points and you dont have driver error I've seen many of fast cars with automatics........BUT For the guy that started this post. Why would you ever do most of this. In order to have a 75 shot you should of built this motor to handle it in the first place. to replace something three times with OEM parts should have only happened once. If i were you and you want to keep this car i would try and find a legit performance shop one that actually builds track cars and see if they could rebuild it for you.
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Old May 31, 2010 | 05:18 PM
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Well good sir. I'm not saying that one is better then another they both have pros and cons. However, I have to speak up for automatics in general. Automatics have better shift points and you dont have driver error I've seen many of fast cars with automatics........BUT For the guy that started this post. Why would you ever do most of this. In order to have a 75 shot you should of built this motor to handle it in the first place. to replace something three times with OEM parts should have only happened once. If i were you and you want to keep this car i would try and find a legit performance shop one that actually builds track cars and see if they could rebuild it for you.

We are not talking about fast cars with automatics lol. He is talking about automatic Accords......

And there is not an Accord transmission out there built by Honda to withstand repeated nitrous use.
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Old May 31, 2010 | 07:10 PM
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You win this round Gadget. Okay your absolutly right about that. You now have my full agreement.
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Old May 31, 2010 | 07:24 PM
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Excellent Inspector Gadget reference

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Old Jun 1, 2010 | 02:07 AM
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I'm Impressed with his 13.9 to say auto's aren't fast. There is a company out there that does make performance parts for the F22 tranny. Look at getting a MPA1 tranny and learn how to rebuild it. Racing requires this.
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Old Jun 1, 2010 | 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by MAD_MIKE
AFAIK there aren't any 'shift kits' for the Honda automatic transmissions.
The Honda A/T is more like a M/T than any other A/T. To avoid infringing on patents, Honda came up with their own design that does not use planetary gearsets. Basically they took an M/T replaced the shift forks with clutch packs and had these clutch packs actuated, hydraulically, via the shift solenoids. The shift solenoids are controlled by the TCU.

The valve body will contain a few checkballs, springs and ports to apply and bleed off pressure for proper shifting. But unless you know what port does what I would leave that well enough alone.

In the mean time just keep tabs on your transmission.
Verify that line pressure is within spec, that your throttle valve cable is adjusted correctly providing adequate pressure for the respective gear. Verify the shift solenoids are working correctly, check the pintle seats and needles for wear and tear, keep the screens clean. And after a few runs, crack the case and check on the clutch packs. Replace the clutches when they get near their wear limit.

The biggest killer of ATs is heat. If the ATF gets overheated and cooked, it will glaze the clutch packs, rendering them useless. Which will cause slip. So if you plan on beating on this transmission quite a bit, then get a larger cooler for it. Try and maintain heat below 200*F

Where would I install a temp gauge, Because I have a H22a auto and do drive like a crazy man. Put it one the freed line to the cooler?
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