Is there a big diffrence in power vs the pro2 and the tuner 2s. The tuner 2s are much eazier to find and tones of good deals on them.

Also say i go with pro2 camshafts can i go with tuner valve springs or do i gotta go with the pros

 

yes there's a big difference, skunk2 recommends using pro series valve train by the way. just check out their website

 

Get the tuner 2's ...you will thank me later.

 

why would you say that

 

x2!

 

Because
1.) Most people who use them end up overcamming their motor.
2.) dyno graphs have proven time and time again that the tuner 2's make around the same and in some instances more power above vtec than comparable builds with Pro2's.
3.) they are by far easier on valvetrain and easier to tune.

 

I think its fair to say that tuner 2's are more similar to Pro1's than Pro2's.

1. Depends what the OP's motor is, but anything over 11.1 is good for pro1's. I do agree many people will see good figures from well built pro2 motor build ups and get them as they think theirs will make the same figure. But in the right motor say an 11.5CR B18, Pro1's will make more power everywhere in the powerband then Tuner2's.

2. are you sure? All depends on the build and even if the motors are similar, there is always differences in build quality and tune etc.

3. Yes I do agree that tuner2's are easier on the valvetrain below vtec because they have a much smaller none vtec lobe. But the ramp angles etc on pro series are very good.
Also I would much rather have the power, and change my valvetrain every 5 years or so on my street motor. Plenty have people have used their pro series cams in street motors for 50/60k miles without wear issues.

As I said earlier, I think just because the tuner and pro are followed by a number 2, does not make them comparable,

Tuner 2's V Pro1's
Tuner 3's V Pro2's is a more even affair.

 

lol
U must didn't see the thread on tuner 3's vs pro 3's huh. U have no real world experience with the pro series cams.

Pro series cams are harder to make power on b/c u have to degree the motor for v2v contact and not everyone takes this into consideration. Tuner series u can drop in the cams set at 0 0 and tune and then make adjustments to find out how much power u can make. Pro series cam u have to know ur **** or basically pay someone to do it for u and u'd better not mess with the cam gear settings nor ur tunner. Only the guys who know how 2 build and degree a motor and check p2v and v2v should use these cams. Pro series cams are not buy any means drop it cams hence the reason that are pro series.

 

Good points...I should know because I created the thread. I have used the tuner2's, tuner3's, BC V's, and Pro3's...which would make my points more from experience than from reading **** I see on the internet. I have dynoed all of them on my build and the Pro3's just made 4whp more than the Tuner3's, so in all fairness, they are more equally paired. The tuner2's are more comparable to Pro2's in power output, as they would rape the Pro1's in a descent build.

 

No, he won't.. Actually.

I have a built b20vtec, ran the s2s2's for 8 months, just switched up to the pro2's..

The pro2's **** on the s2s2's.. i assure you..

 

Actually, your wrong again.. the pro2's aren't comparable to the stage2's.
The stage2's make power from vtec on, but no where near what you could make on pro2's..
the stage2's have no power below vtec.. pro2's make great low / mid range and scream on the top

They love my motor.. infact, they love my motor so much, i'm creating positive manifold pressure, also known as, naturally supercharging.. i'm seeing around 1-2lbs of boost almost..

Trust me, and take it from someone who tunes cars just about every other day.. if your motor is mostly stock, and you already have a tuner valvetrain, go with the stage2's.. if your motor is mildly built and can support the revs, go with the pro2's, you will need to upgrade the valvetrain.

 

you really do talk out your *** a lot.


it depends on what the car is being used for. if its a daily use a pro series cam, simply because the tuner cams will only make power in vtec and you will have to be in the throttle all the time to get anywhere below vtec.

 

Just get the Pro1s. Remember project low key(H22 CD5 Accord) from Modified Mag? Yup, his puts down 192whp using ferrea valvetrains with a stock bottom end. It's harder to get it to idle where you wanted, but it can be done.

 

lol what u need to be in the throttle to be in vtec to get the car from point a to b lol u really take the cake.

tuner series cams are for street use. If u have a good tuner u don't need vtec for a passing gear. I tuned my on car i don't even use vtec to get around or more less for a passing gear.

Pro series cams are for race purposes

Tuner series is for streetable cam that u still have low end torque on the nonvtec lobe. U seriously don't have a clue to what u are talking about.

 

Pro Cams are not just for race purposes. The pro1's are actually an awesome street cam because they have huge midrange torque because of the bigger non vtec lobe. This does take a little bit more effort to get idle right but not very much considering you will get a huge gain between 3-6k compared to tuner 2's. Here even skunk2 say the pro1's are "BEST ALL-ROUND STREET CAM" and thats because on the street people arent at 9k all the time, people need extra grunt in the midrange and a bigger non vtec lobe gives that.

You can get the Pro1's pretty close to optimum power with some 'quick settings' that skunk2 suggest. +3/+4 on pro gears. and move around there.

Also....
Pro1 v Tuner2
http://www.skunk2.com/mm5/merchant.m...de=305-05-5140

Pro1's makes power everywhere over tuner2
Obviously the motor has to have enough compression and supporting mods.

In order of power that could be had with a 13.1 all motor it would be....
tuner 1 / tuner 2 / pro1 / tuner 3 / pro2 / pro3

 

Thank you

 

i was just going to post something about the pro1's performing better than tuner 2's. i dont even understand how some people can compare tuner cams to pro cams. some cams do better on different engines, you cannot just simply say cam "A" is better than cam "B".... every engine is different as are the cams.

 

What u said about the midrange for the pro series cams is true but it's all about the tuner and tune that u have. And also do u have a graph were someone tested the pro1 cams vs the tuner 2's other than skunk2.

tuner 2's on a h22 that i've seen makes a pretty good to comparison between the pro series pro 1 cam but i hardly see the pro2 cams on h22 builds that work good b/c most individuals try to put them on stock bottom end builds.

For the h22 .500 lift on the intake 272 duration and 280 duration on the exhaust is perfect camshaft for the h motors. Just like bigblock says it depends on the motor and the characteristics of the build. Don't get me wrong pro 2's on a gsr my buddy had built with 12 0 compression in a eg hatch that thing really moved and i loved driving it and the lopey idle. I'm kinda just gonna take the back seat now and see what everone else has to say. But tuner series and pro series cams are both great it just depends on ur choice i guess.

 

I'll say this both cams are great. Bang for the buck tuner series drop in cams and u will need upgraded valvetrain. Pro series are more expensive and u need upgraded valvetrain and cam gears and pro series is more harder on the valvetrain than the tuner series cams. Reason being more spring to seat pressure than the tuner series and more agressive.

Me for street car a reliablity i'd say tuner's for me.

pro 2's do work this is a good example of a low compression dyno around 11compression but he has 2mm bigger piston and 97mm stroke but it makes power to 9,000rpm which is a nice race motor and can be driven on the street with pump gas no prob.


89x97mm
10:8 cr
ported head
pro 2's
magnus manifold
76mm t/b
ssr header 4-2-1
id 725cc injectors
tuned on s300

286whp 214TQ
http://i385.photobucket.com/albums/o...effsdyno-1.jpg

 

Sorry man, I have seen too many sub 215hp B20's using Pro2's for me to believe this. That is why I didn't even bother to try them after my S2S3's. I went straight to the Pro3's which only made 4whp more than the S2S3's. Midrange doesn't matter that much to me as I drag race my car so it will never see below 6000rpms. Let me tell you how I would group them according to my EXPERIENCES with them based on power in vtec...S1/Pro1/Pro2/S2/S3/Pro3.

 

i think the tuner 2 is a better cam for me, im in the middle of noplace and the closes tuner is 4 hours away. I need more of a dropin cam that i can just drop in and bring it to get tuned whenever i can.

 

good choice for good reasons .

 

i'm going with Tuner2's, yeah it might make less HP in the Midrange, but in the upper RPM range where everyeone races they make the same HP, maybe a little less but hey at least i can say my vavletrain won't crap out in 10-20k (which i drive that in prob. 20k a year so yeah)

 

Getting to the higher rpms slower , will not make you go any faster up top..

But what do i know..right?

I mean , i only daily drive a 13.0CR b20vtec.

 

also if its a street motor alot of people think its cool to have a really aggressive vtec engagement. I think its cool when it pops super hard. Im running blox b's which to my understanding are knock offs of s2s2's.

I know a local guy running a b20v with s2p3's and his car pulls every were like a v8 its crazy. it never sees street anymore though