5 lug on a accord wagon 97
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5 lug on a accord wagon 97
hey wats up ppl im lookin for some info on the easiest way to do five lug on a 97 accord wagon wat do i need to perform the surgery lol so let me no guys im tryna do this asap thanks ahead of time
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Re: 5 lug on a accord wagon 97
I did this on my 94 lx sedan recently. Should be similar. From my parts research, the 94-97 wagon and v6 models have the same steering knuckles and bearings. the 4cyl sedans have a different bearing. I did the front swap with a complete 98 odyssey knuckle and brake setup. Just bolt to the ball joints and tie rod and done. your wagon should already have the correct knuckle, bearing and brake, so you'll need to get the 5 lug hub/bearing assembly from a 95-98 odyssey and swap out your hub assemblies. I would buy 2 used odyssey hub assemblies and install new bearings, then bolt to your knuckle. Obviously, you'll need 2 odyssey 5lug rotors for the front. this also eliminates the dreadful hub-over-rotor on the 4 lug setup.
as for the rear,
I assume you have rear disc brakes? if not, convert! if so, you'll need to buy 2 97-01 prelude base rear hubs (hubbearing.com), then buy 2 cheap, used 98 accord rear disc knuckles and swap (with a helluva press) the spindle shafts from the 98 into your rear knuckles with a 1/8" thick washer on it before pressing it so that it shortens the shaft 1/8". this lengthens the spindle so that it will fit the prelude hub's bearings, and without the washer behind it, it will be 1/8" too long.
I think i ended up using the 98 accord rear axle nuts since they have a built-in washer (like the prelude nut) if i remember right-and they were free since i already had them. you won't be able to use the thick axle washer that was original to your car. I think the stock dust cover fit back on as well, but the 98 cover should fit too. You'll need to buy 2 98 accord v6 rear rotors and the stock wagon brakes should work if they are the same as the ex sedan brakes.
as for the rear,
I assume you have rear disc brakes? if not, convert! if so, you'll need to buy 2 97-01 prelude base rear hubs (hubbearing.com), then buy 2 cheap, used 98 accord rear disc knuckles and swap (with a helluva press) the spindle shafts from the 98 into your rear knuckles with a 1/8" thick washer on it before pressing it so that it shortens the shaft 1/8". this lengthens the spindle so that it will fit the prelude hub's bearings, and without the washer behind it, it will be 1/8" too long.
I think i ended up using the 98 accord rear axle nuts since they have a built-in washer (like the prelude nut) if i remember right-and they were free since i already had them. you won't be able to use the thick axle washer that was original to your car. I think the stock dust cover fit back on as well, but the 98 cover should fit too. You'll need to buy 2 98 accord v6 rear rotors and the stock wagon brakes should work if they are the same as the ex sedan brakes.
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Re: 5 lug on a accord wagon 97
I like my 4 lug... I guess if you want more wheel options 5 lug is the way to go..
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NOTE: this thread is specifically geared towards wagon owners who would like to convert to 5-lug using their stock rear spindles. it is meant to supplement the original 5-lug conversion threads that abound elsewhere on this forum. it assumes you are already familiar with the conversion as a whole.
for those that aren’t aware, wagon rear hub studs (where the rear hubs are bolted on) are slightly larger in diameter compared to coupes and sedans. it is theorized that this design was to give the wagon a higher load capacity over it’s 2 and 4 door brethren. because of this we cannot use the rear prelude hubs typically used for rear 5-lug conversion since the bearing will not fit the oversized hub stud.
the front conversion still remains the same utilizing the odyssey front knuckles. the beauty of having a wagon is the fact that we can run our stock front calipers/brackets since the odyssey shares the same units. this unnecessary need of a caliper swap makes the conversion slightly easier than sedan/coupe but as this thread will show it’s the rear conversion where all the pain starts.
front conversion
years back when i first heard about the rear hub stud being larger and unable to accept the prelude hub it dawned on me to try and see if the odyssey bearing would fit. a van would definitely need a higher load capacity hence the larger rear hub stud. it was confirmed that the 95-98 rear odyssey bearings fit the wagon hub studs from member SAV (thanks again man). it took me a few trips to the junkyard to finally source a complete set of knuckles/spindles off an odyssey.
while trying to harvest the odyssey rear hubs i found something that i’ve never encountered before in a honda, a drum/disc brake setup! i’ve seen this before on subarus but never a honda.
odyssey rear rotor
rear drum shoes
i’ve converted to 5-lug before so i’m pretty familiar with the whole process but i noticed the wagon rear hub nut differed from the one used for sedan/coupes. it was a 36mm nut which is the same size as the front axle nut. typically the rear is a 32mm nut. after the stock hub was removed i test fitted the odyssey rear hubs and they fit.
odyssey hub on
so the main concern for this swap is the rear brake rotor. because the odyssey hub is slightly longer (deeper) using the typical 6th gen accord V6 rotors are out of the question. by the way, RSX, integra type-r, accord V6, are all the same rotor and thus interchangeable. the offset difference changes the position of the rotor so the stock caliper bracket cannot be reinstalled. being longer though means you’ll get some negative offset or wider stance. it’s like adding a spacer.
stock accord bracket installed
top view of accord bracket
now let’s try the odyssey bracket. initially it looks like it can work since they have the same bolt pattern, just differing in offset…
odyssey bracket top, accord bracket bottom
offset difference, accord bracket top, odyssey bracket bottom
…however the offset difference is too great and it is not possible to run the odyssey bracket either unless a proper rotor is found.
odyssey bracket installed
top view of odyssey bracket
also the odyssey hubs have a larger diameter (wider) probably used to house the brake drum. this is the main reason the accord v6 rotors cannot be used. the rotors do not fit over the hubs.
odyssey hub over an accord V6 rotor, vs. stock rear hub
close up, the odyssey hub will not go into the rotor
lastly, using the odyssey rotors is out of the question too because the rotors are 11.2” in diameter versus the typical 10” rear rotors we run. the brackets don’t line up at all on either ends of the axis.
in conclusion, the correct offset and inner diameter rear rotor needs to be found in order to complete this conversion. either some machining will need to be done or other OEM rotors will need to be test fitted. for now this conversion remains a mystery…
side observation: i have a theory as to how the japanese wagons can do 5-lug swaps with ease. after studying the differences between the USDM and JDM wagons in person (thanks to RightHandDriveJapan) the JDM wagons have sedan/coupe rear ends. their EX equivalent chassis even lack a rear sway bar! only the SIR has it. similarly the JDM wagons have sedan/coupe front brake setups, again unless it was an SIR. there’s some useless JDM wagon trivia for ya!
for those that aren’t aware, wagon rear hub studs (where the rear hubs are bolted on) are slightly larger in diameter compared to coupes and sedans. it is theorized that this design was to give the wagon a higher load capacity over it’s 2 and 4 door brethren. because of this we cannot use the rear prelude hubs typically used for rear 5-lug conversion since the bearing will not fit the oversized hub stud.
the front conversion still remains the same utilizing the odyssey front knuckles. the beauty of having a wagon is the fact that we can run our stock front calipers/brackets since the odyssey shares the same units. this unnecessary need of a caliper swap makes the conversion slightly easier than sedan/coupe but as this thread will show it’s the rear conversion where all the pain starts.
front conversion
years back when i first heard about the rear hub stud being larger and unable to accept the prelude hub it dawned on me to try and see if the odyssey bearing would fit. a van would definitely need a higher load capacity hence the larger rear hub stud. it was confirmed that the 95-98 rear odyssey bearings fit the wagon hub studs from member SAV (thanks again man). it took me a few trips to the junkyard to finally source a complete set of knuckles/spindles off an odyssey.
while trying to harvest the odyssey rear hubs i found something that i’ve never encountered before in a honda, a drum/disc brake setup! i’ve seen this before on subarus but never a honda.
odyssey rear rotor
rear drum shoes
i’ve converted to 5-lug before so i’m pretty familiar with the whole process but i noticed the wagon rear hub nut differed from the one used for sedan/coupes. it was a 36mm nut which is the same size as the front axle nut. typically the rear is a 32mm nut. after the stock hub was removed i test fitted the odyssey rear hubs and they fit.
odyssey hub on
so the main concern for this swap is the rear brake rotor. because the odyssey hub is slightly longer (deeper) using the typical 6th gen accord V6 rotors are out of the question. by the way, RSX, integra type-r, accord V6, are all the same rotor and thus interchangeable. the offset difference changes the position of the rotor so the stock caliper bracket cannot be reinstalled. being longer though means you’ll get some negative offset or wider stance. it’s like adding a spacer.
stock accord bracket installed
top view of accord bracket
now let’s try the odyssey bracket. initially it looks like it can work since they have the same bolt pattern, just differing in offset…
odyssey bracket top, accord bracket bottom
offset difference, accord bracket top, odyssey bracket bottom
…however the offset difference is too great and it is not possible to run the odyssey bracket either unless a proper rotor is found.
odyssey bracket installed
top view of odyssey bracket
also the odyssey hubs have a larger diameter (wider) probably used to house the brake drum. this is the main reason the accord v6 rotors cannot be used. the rotors do not fit over the hubs.
odyssey hub over an accord V6 rotor, vs. stock rear hub
close up, the odyssey hub will not go into the rotor
lastly, using the odyssey rotors is out of the question too because the rotors are 11.2” in diameter versus the typical 10” rear rotors we run. the brackets don’t line up at all on either ends of the axis.
in conclusion, the correct offset and inner diameter rear rotor needs to be found in order to complete this conversion. either some machining will need to be done or other OEM rotors will need to be test fitted. for now this conversion remains a mystery…
side observation: i have a theory as to how the japanese wagons can do 5-lug swaps with ease. after studying the differences between the USDM and JDM wagons in person (thanks to RightHandDriveJapan) the JDM wagons have sedan/coupe rear ends. their EX equivalent chassis even lack a rear sway bar! only the SIR has it. similarly the JDM wagons have sedan/coupe front brake setups, again unless it was an SIR. there’s some useless JDM wagon trivia for ya!
Last edited by CDelgado220; May 5, 2010 at 12:03 PM. Reason: More info
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Re: 5 lug on a accord wagon 97
HF I was wondering if you ever got started on your conversion, and if you did what did you end up doing about the rear? I am not sure about this but I have heard that the Acura RSX-S that was built from 2001 to 2006 (or there about) also used 36mm shafts on the rear, but have not heard anyone say if they had tried this on the wagon rear shafts. It was just a thought, and perhaps anyone else reading this might know if in fact the Acura did use that size on S model, and if the hubs and bearing where interchangeable on the wagon, since it would seem if true that it would alleviate quite a bit of head scratching on this conversion.....
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Re: 5 lug on a accord wagon 97
A far as the rear goes...go with the 97-01 prelude rear hubs. That's all you need. Plus disks and calipers. As far as rsxs go, they do use 36mm axles. But as with most hondas they are front wheel drive so they don't have axles in the rear.
Side note. I've got a set if odyssey front spindle/hub assemblies for sale. never got to use them before I sold my accord. If you guys are interested shoot me a PM.
Side note. I've got a set if odyssey front spindle/hub assemblies for sale. never got to use them before I sold my accord. If you guys are interested shoot me a PM.
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Re: 5 lug on a accord wagon 97
I have an 97 accord se. I did the rotor over hub conversion but still dont like the braking power. thinking of doing the big brake conversion using 6 cyl accord parts. I see that they are 5 lug. so i want to do the 5 lug conversion with it. so i am thinking that i need parts from a 98 up 6cyl accord sedan. Please list the parts i need. the stiky is not pulling up for me.
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Re: 5 lug on a accord wagon 97
is this a 97 accord sedan? if so, i can email you a parts list that came up with for converting my 94 sedan to 5 lug. brakes very well. PM me your email if you want it.
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Re: 5 lug on a accord wagon 97
You might want to try the 98 to 2004 honda Odyssey hubs. They change from brake shoes to the same type of brakes on the 94-97 Accord V6 in the rear, then you should just need to place one of the smaller rotors and use your old mounting hardware for the calipers. I measured the depth of a new 5 bolt rotor and that of a my old 4 bolt rotor and the height is the same. I did order hubs from ebay and if they work I will report as such...
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