92 Integra issues. Timing belt+ cam gears timed, etc..
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92 Integra issues. Timing belt+ cam gears timed, etc..
I had a few threads about some issues on my 92 integra, I just wanna make this the official thread and get help, thanks!
I recently had a coolant leak in of my Intake Manifold hoses, it took forever to find but I got thru it thank god. The same day I fixed the leak, I wanted to change my 10w30 GTX Synthetic oil to GTX High mileage 5w30. I went for a test drive and Ive seen a oil leak. Like others said, and I agree its not because the oil weight, It was just the time thats needed for new seals, I call it a Coincidence!
Anyway, It turned out to be my Cam gears seals. I had another LS laying around that I checked out and saw the seals for the cam gears on it were fresh! So I took them off and put them on my daily. Everything went smooth until the timing the gears back, timing belt etc.
I made sure TDC line on the gears are correct and accurate. Im gonna explain what happened exactly and waht I did exactly, I really need the help and any opinions/advice is appreciated, thanks.
I did everything I included above and went to start the car, it started but it was dyinn? Low rpms and when I pressed gas, it was dying down.. then it died? I tried to restart, it wont go thru, ill just keep starting without actually starting. I took the valve cover off and checked the TDC and I double checked it. Kept on making sure it was accurate and what not.
Now for the updates, I messed with it again and It wants to start, it really does but its not going thru?? No dying issues or anythin, I was messing with it some more and got closer to the conclusion. Anyone know what I did wrong and how to fix the issue?
I recently had a coolant leak in of my Intake Manifold hoses, it took forever to find but I got thru it thank god. The same day I fixed the leak, I wanted to change my 10w30 GTX Synthetic oil to GTX High mileage 5w30. I went for a test drive and Ive seen a oil leak. Like others said, and I agree its not because the oil weight, It was just the time thats needed for new seals, I call it a Coincidence!
Anyway, It turned out to be my Cam gears seals. I had another LS laying around that I checked out and saw the seals for the cam gears on it were fresh! So I took them off and put them on my daily. Everything went smooth until the timing the gears back, timing belt etc.
I made sure TDC line on the gears are correct and accurate. Im gonna explain what happened exactly and waht I did exactly, I really need the help and any opinions/advice is appreciated, thanks.
I did everything I included above and went to start the car, it started but it was dyinn? Low rpms and when I pressed gas, it was dying down.. then it died? I tried to restart, it wont go thru, ill just keep starting without actually starting. I took the valve cover off and checked the TDC and I double checked it. Kept on making sure it was accurate and what not.
Now for the updates, I messed with it again and It wants to start, it really does but its not going thru?? No dying issues or anythin, I was messing with it some more and got closer to the conclusion. Anyone know what I did wrong and how to fix the issue?
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It's good that you made sure the cams where at their TDC mark, but what about the crank? Have you checked the mechanical timing again since trying to start? I would guess it's off which is not good if your trying to start it like that. These are interference motors, so pistons can hit the valves when mechanical timing is off.
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like bond said, make sure your crank is on its mark as well, dont get confuse, there are two marks, one red mark with 2 white marks on either side, and one white mark seperate from the others. make sure you are lined up with the white lone mark
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I mean, my car was running fine til the leak. I just put new seals in, put gears back TDCd, everything else was left alone, then I just put the belt back on. Didnt tension it though, i just slipped it on the gears. It wants to start but somethings holding back.
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When the car died on me and wouldnt start it made sense since my Altenator got damaged? Due the leak that was all over it.. gonna test the one on my spare ls tomorrow
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Timing belt might be jumping teeth, or you might not have had the crank actually at TDC. Are you sure you had it on that single mark as was mentioned above? The other 3 marks indicate 16 deg. +/- 2 deg. ignition timing.
If you were able to just slip the belt back on, it's most definitely not tight enough. You also need to make sure that you stretch the belt tight on the exhaust side and install it over the exhaust cam gear first, then the intake cam gear second. If you do it the other way, it's very easy to get too much slack between the cam gear and crank sprocket, which means timing will be off and/or the belt will jump teeth.
If you were able to just slip the belt back on, it's most definitely not tight enough. You also need to make sure that you stretch the belt tight on the exhaust side and install it over the exhaust cam gear first, then the intake cam gear second. If you do it the other way, it's very easy to get too much slack between the cam gear and crank sprocket, which means timing will be off and/or the belt will jump teeth.
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Hey, remember i said it turns over but doesnt start? Well, I remember my oil got all over my altenator and everything on that side. The car died after I started it, then it wont start again. How can i test its my altenator before i remove anythin?
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Hit it with some carb cleaner then let it dry out good and try to crank it again. It's only a couple of bolts so just take it to your local parts store and they can test it free.
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well, i just find out its not my alt. It was my crank timing, it was timed.. Anyway i got it done and started. but it was jumping? not sure what that is.
It jumps as if something is loose and not tightened. it sounds lil like a 350 muscle car.
It jumps as if something is loose and not tightened. it sounds lil like a 350 muscle car.
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The altenator is good since the car started up. Im just trying to find out why it sputters of some sort. Like something is off but the TDC and crank is fine.. The only thing is, I didnt loosen my belt tensioner. I just took it off and slipped it back in..
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The crank is in the way.. Im gonna retime everything and loosen the tensioner and then tighten it. But i cannot get to the bolt with the crank in the way.
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Also, would the motor by jumping/sputtering cuz of the belt not being tight enough? It doesnt sound messed up, just sounds like a v8 a bit.
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absolutely, mechanical timing is extremely important in the way the car runs, make sure the tension is on the front side of the belt before tightening the tensioner. you should not be able to slip the belt off with the belt tensioned properly
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Your timing is still off. Loosen tensioner bolt (14mm) remove timing belt, remove cam bridges so cams do not open and close valves and hit pistons when aligning tdc on crank pulley, remember rotate assembly counter clocwise. Cams should now settle close to the up position, install cam bridges and slowly readjust cams so they are at the tdc or the up position while tightening down cam bridge bolts. Torque specs on cam bridge bolts I believe is 220 in.lbs torque in increments. Install timing belt do not tighten tensioner yet rotate the assembly counter clockwise two to three rotations to check static timing, when everything is aligned and the belt is tight between the timing sprockets tighten the tensioner. Good luck
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Does the TDC marks on the cam gears have to be lined up on that imprinted line on back plastic cover? or just aligned together to make a straight line? Whats the cam bridges?
The only problem I'm having is accessing the tensioner. I took the cover off, but the crank is in the way. I took off the P/S belt but still can't get to the tensioner.
The only problem I'm having is accessing the tensioner. I took the cover off, but the crank is in the way. I took off the P/S belt but still can't get to the tensioner.
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Please read this post I made awhile back. This is the proper tensioning procedure. It's very important that you follow this procedure to keep the belt from jumping time.
https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...6#post34825786
https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...6#post34825786
Alright, here is the CORRECT way to install the timing belt to ensure that everything is tensioned properly.
First of all, be sure you do NOT simply start at the crank and slip the belt over everything in order and ending with the exhaust cam gear. You will end up with too much slack between the exhaust cam gear and the crank sprocket, and will likely be 1-2 teeth off after rotating the engine a few times.
So to start off, make sure everything is lined up properly (mark on crank sprocket lined up with mark on oil pump, index marks on cam gear aligned, #1 piston at TDC). Next, loosen your tensioner pulley bolt, pull it down all the way, and snug down the bolt to hold it there. That will make it easier to get the belt on without damaging the belt teeth.
Now start installing the belt around the crank pulley sprocket, around the tensioner pulley, and the water pump. Now this next part is very important!! You MUST install the belt over the exhaust cam gear next (after the water pump), and then finally the intake cam gear. The reason is that by doing this, you can pull the belt taught between the crank sprocket and the exhaust cam gear to ensure that there is no excessive slack.
Now at this point the belt may be a little loose around the water pump and tensioner pulley. That's okay. Release the tensioner pulley bolt and let the spring snug the belt into place. Now tighten the bolt again (just snug it down).
Now you need to rotate the engine over several times to make sure everything stays lined up properly. 5 or 6 full crank rotations is specified by the Helms manual, but you'll need to rotate an even number of times to bring the UP arrows back up on the cam gears and the index marks back into alignment.
So assuming that everything is still lined up after rotate the crank, you need to finalize the belt tension. Loosen the tensioner pulley bolt again, and turn the crank just enough to move the cam gears about 3 teeth past each other. What this does is cause the belt tension to pull the tensioner pulley down a bit, taking any last bit of slack in the belt. Finish up by tightening the tensioner pulley bolt. If the engine is out of the car, you can put a torque wrench on it. If it's in the car, you probably won't be able to get a torque wrench on there, so just tighten it down pretty good.
And that is the proper way to install a timing belt.
Despite this, though, I still put marks on my sprockets and old belt, and transfer the marks to my new belt just to make totally sure everything gets lined up properly.
First of all, be sure you do NOT simply start at the crank and slip the belt over everything in order and ending with the exhaust cam gear. You will end up with too much slack between the exhaust cam gear and the crank sprocket, and will likely be 1-2 teeth off after rotating the engine a few times.
So to start off, make sure everything is lined up properly (mark on crank sprocket lined up with mark on oil pump, index marks on cam gear aligned, #1 piston at TDC). Next, loosen your tensioner pulley bolt, pull it down all the way, and snug down the bolt to hold it there. That will make it easier to get the belt on without damaging the belt teeth.
Now start installing the belt around the crank pulley sprocket, around the tensioner pulley, and the water pump. Now this next part is very important!! You MUST install the belt over the exhaust cam gear next (after the water pump), and then finally the intake cam gear. The reason is that by doing this, you can pull the belt taught between the crank sprocket and the exhaust cam gear to ensure that there is no excessive slack.
Now at this point the belt may be a little loose around the water pump and tensioner pulley. That's okay. Release the tensioner pulley bolt and let the spring snug the belt into place. Now tighten the bolt again (just snug it down).
Now you need to rotate the engine over several times to make sure everything stays lined up properly. 5 or 6 full crank rotations is specified by the Helms manual, but you'll need to rotate an even number of times to bring the UP arrows back up on the cam gears and the index marks back into alignment.
So assuming that everything is still lined up after rotate the crank, you need to finalize the belt tension. Loosen the tensioner pulley bolt again, and turn the crank just enough to move the cam gears about 3 teeth past each other. What this does is cause the belt tension to pull the tensioner pulley down a bit, taking any last bit of slack in the belt. Finish up by tightening the tensioner pulley bolt. If the engine is out of the car, you can put a torque wrench on it. If it's in the car, you probably won't be able to get a torque wrench on there, so just tighten it down pretty good.
And that is the proper way to install a timing belt.
Despite this, though, I still put marks on my sprockets and old belt, and transfer the marks to my new belt just to make totally sure everything gets lined up properly.
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Does the TDC marks on the cam gears have to be lined up on that imprinted line on back plastic cover? or just aligned together to make a straight line? Whats the cam bridges?
The only problem I'm having is accessing the tensioner. I took the cover off, but the crank is in the way. I took off the P/S belt but still can't get to the tensioner.
The only problem I'm having is accessing the tensioner. I took the cover off, but the crank is in the way. I took off the P/S belt but still can't get to the tensioner.
When you take off the valve cover you will see the cam bridges only reason on removing these is to not bend the valves due to zero tolerance
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Are you talking about the cam rails?? I would never loosen or remove those while trying to turn the camshafts! If the engine is WAYY out of time (shouldn't be) I would just crank the motor over little by little, then turn the camshafts little by little, so that the valves don't get damaged.
I always tension my timing belt before I install all the covers back on. No need to wait until the covers are on before doing it. In fact the tensioner bolt is much more difficult to access if the covers are on, despite that little plug on the side. Just make sure the index marks align with each other and the arrows generally point up, and it'll be good.
I always tension my timing belt before I install all the covers back on. No need to wait until the covers are on before doing it. In fact the tensioner bolt is much more difficult to access if the covers are on, despite that little plug on the side. Just make sure the index marks align with each other and the arrows generally point up, and it'll be good.
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^^^^No this is not what I am advising!! I'm suggesting this to him because his timing can very well be off by a good amount of degree in order to reach tdc in his case. I would remove the timing belt and release the (cam rails) or bridges and rotate the cp. to tdc then reinstall the cams in the correct timing then install the timing belt. It is not difficult to time it with the timing cover on. This whole procedure is quite simple, good luck
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I got the TDC lined up, #1 piston TDC, the crank at TDC. The belt tension is loose, I cant get it to tight the belt and bolt? What do i use to tighten it down?