for those of you who have either one, how's the brightness at night?
for those of you who have seen both on them side by side(2 cars), which one is produce more light output and better vision at night?
for those of you who purchased either one, how much is a fair price?
On ebay, the 6000k philips is 425, and the K2 is 450.
give me your honest opinions please.

thanks

 

get the phillips ---- the k2 sacrifices vision for the OVERLY purple color

 

definately go philips, performance and reliability

 

The K2 ballasts are made by Phillips.

 

Beware of the Philips kits. Most of them come with the osram bulb. Osram bulb displays blue-white. The original Philips bulbs display a slight amount of purple and then purple. K2 is purple. I have had both Philips and K2 on my car. My choice = K2. It displays more of the Audi/Bmw purple look.

 

I have the K2 6000k. Looks very cool, and does resemble the Audi type of lighting. The lighting on the road is good too.

 

The K2 looks mad cool. My choice is the 8000K because of the "blue" output. On some cars especially german cars they tend to flicker from time to time.

 

im just afraid that the k2's are gonna be too purple, cause i want a light blue affect....how much do these sets cost around?

 

If you want the blue effect, you should probably go with the Philips kit with Osram bulbs. Philips kits range from $450-$600. K2 can range from $435-$500.

 

The K2 8000K is not purple but blue.

 

K2 ballasts are NOT made by Philips...they are made by Panasonic. Either way I don't like K2's quality.

 

I like K2... I have one, ready to buy another one...

K2 8000k ballast made by phillips, and K2 6000k ballast made by panasonic...
http://www.itsrealstuff.com/lighting...d_systems.html

 

6000K and higher is crap, you're sacrificing light output for looks Just get the 4300K setup and call it a day

 

hah well said!

 

Exactly.

If you buy HIDs for looks you don't understand why HIDs were put on cars to begin with. The color results from light aberations in the light housing, so if you really want to achieve the same spectral display of an Audi/Porsche/BMW/etc. then modify your housing and swap in the D2S projectors from that OEM vehicle. I have 4300K on my teg and it looks blue/white against a white flat surface. From the perspective of other drivers it's obvious that my car has HIDs. There's no need to sugar coat this by promoting false color aberation and sacrifice light output. Otherwise, you might as well go back to halogens.

 

awesome..

that post deserves applause..

ive never seen a 6000K kit that looked good on the ground.. and ive even been in the mountains where there arent any street lights or any lights period and they still didnt look good.. better than halogen.. but still not worth $300+ ..

and most companies with 6000K applications try to lie and say the 6000K's are brighter, or that they have the same ammount of lumens, etc.. terrible.


[Modified by MTK Kommander, 9:16 PM 12/11/2002]

 

Here is my $.02 on 6000k. 6000k was produced because there was a demand for the "aftermarket look". In my mind, Philips has the only 6000k bulb worth purchasing, the Ultinon. It is not blue-coated in any way. Instead they change how the gas "burns" inside the bulb to produce the higher color temperature. The only downside to this is that you lose about 400 lumens in the process. OEM 4100k bulbs are advertised at 3200 lumens, whereas the Ultinon 6000k bulbs are advertised at 2800lumens.

To the guy who said that an 8000k K2 ballast is philips and the 6000k ballast is panasonic, that is wrong. Balasts have no control over the color temperature of a bulb. K2 does not use philips anything as far as I know.

About where to buy hid retrofit kits, I suggest clicking on the link in my sig. Autolamps-online.com has been in the business of selling gas discharge for over 13 years now. And the owner of Autolamps, Nick Cottiss, worked with Philips to invent HID technology for automotive use. Here is some more info on ultinon bulbs

And now finally, here is my retrofit kit on my 95 vw gti. It is an H7 6000k autolamps-online kit, placed in golf4 look for golf3 headlamps. Yes, not quite the best cutoff, but still well controlled in the reflectors and a great output.

before

after

HTH

 

damn!

 

ive got some 8000k on my 4th gen accord. It does give a bit of a blue/purplish output but i dunno if its just my housing but its a lot brighter then those oem hids from audis and bimmers out there. I dont think im giving up any output by using these 8000k's. I'll try to get some pics up of my light output soon. Maybe i need some 6000k's to be next to me when i take the pics? oh yea on the box is says OSRAM HIDs.

 

i seriously doubt this. if you put your car up against an audi or any model or any factory HID, your car is not brighter in any way. it just seems brighter cause the ground is lit up blue. 8000K is gotta be the worst investment you could have spent.
my friend got 8000K on his supra and it didn't even look like HID, looked like those nokya blue bulbs.

 

actually the ultinons put out 2400 lumens..

 

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/show...threadid=48108

4th post down

 

great link for halogen to HID conversion. plenty of comparison and install pics.
i guess not all lexus owners are rich folks that wont do their own work on their cars. http://www.clublexus.com/forums/show...threadid=48111


[Modified by Vic Nyce, 4:34 AM 12/18/2002]

 

courtesy of the philips lighting forum FAQ

The hard facts on Philips 6000K Ultinon:
Marketing names: "Ultinon", "Cool Power" and "Cool White" are all the same D2 lamps.
The Ultinon and standard lamps are identical with the visible exception of the 'salts' colour in the burner and the ceramic insulation on the earth return lead. Base is labeled: "Not legal for use in Europe/USA". This bulb is clearly ment for the Asia/Japanese marked - they do not have the strict regulations when it comes to color. Some aftermarked vendors market Ultinon as a brighter bulb than a standard D2. This is not true:
OEM Philips D2S is 3200lm bright (+/-450lm) and 4100K colortemp (0.380x 0.390y).
Philips Ultinon D2S is 2400lm bright (+/-250lm) and 5800K colortemp (0.327X 0.312Y).

Osram Sylvania and blue HID bulbs
Osram Sylvania has an HID bulb with higher color temperature as well. They call it D-HC (Discharge-High Color) HID, with 5400K and 2600lm bright and has an integrated starter in the bulb base. It is used in their X1010 Aux low beam kit. Their standard HID capsule has 4100K and is 3200lm bright.

What are the results of using 6000K, 7000K, 15000K HID bulbs?
During winter 2002, exponensional use of Kelvin (K) rating is used as brightness improving advertisement. Its all just big empty words. Do a search for "kelvin color temperature" on a search engine (ie: yahoo.com) and you will see that it has nothing to do with brightness and all to do with color. Going upwards from 4100K means that your light turns blue at the expense of total brightness and yellow color. Theoretically, if the same brightness were to be kept, you would have to increase the wattage of the bulb from 35 to maybe 40W, and redesign the ballast. This would be a very costly solution, so thats pretty much why all automotive HID bulbs are 35W.

just a bit of info..

edit:
ive seen a 4300K bulb be more blue in head on appearance than an Acura CL, side by side just by using a glare shield to cut out the stray light, showing only the blue hue from the housings, while the ground remained white..


[Modified by MTK Kommander, 3:50 AM 12/18/2002]