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I push on the brakes and idle goes up ?

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Old Apr 12, 2010 | 02:53 PM
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I just got stainless lines and new brakes on my car . They were bled properly and are doing still what they were originally doing . When I push my brake pedal down my idle increases?.. what would cause this? Also, the pedal takes longer to push down and is almost squshy .

Vaccum leak ?

Brake booster?

Master Cylinder?
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Old Apr 12, 2010 | 03:59 PM
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i heard the stainless lines can cause the differnce in peddle feel you are feeling.
Mine does this every now and again and i have never noticed a vaccum leak,

you can always test but pulling off your intake tube and while the cars runing hold your hands over the tb make sure there is no gaps. if the engine keeps runing there is a leak if it dies there is not.
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Old Apr 12, 2010 | 04:10 PM
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deff a leak .. but what would cause it ?

brake booster ?
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Old Apr 12, 2010 | 04:13 PM
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did u accadentaly flip the check valve on the vaccum line?
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Old Apr 12, 2010 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tuck1crx
did u accadentaly flip the check valve on the vaccum line?


nope . Its facing the right way
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Old Apr 12, 2010 | 05:05 PM
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pedel hold or drop?
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Old Apr 12, 2010 | 05:25 PM
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Default Re: I push on the brakes and idle goes up ?

when you push the pedal down to stop, Its a longer push to stop. Under high speeds the pedal will vibrate rapidly. Also when you step on the brake pedal at idle you can see the idle increase.
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Old Apr 12, 2010 | 06:01 PM
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yeah idle increase is normal, its called vaccum. the pedal vibration is caused most likloy by bad rotors. buy some oem honda ones dont get aftermarket bs they suck *****.
mushy felling could be air in the system. bleed the brakes properly(all 4 wheels in the right order)
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Old Apr 12, 2010 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by v8killaz
yeah idle increase is normal, its called vaccum. the pedal vibration is caused most likloy by bad rotors. buy some oem honda ones dont get aftermarket bs they suck *****.
mushy felling could be air in the system. bleed the brakes properly(all 4 wheels in the right order)
But jump from 1000k -1500 rpm?
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Old Apr 12, 2010 | 06:31 PM
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does it come back down, ur idle is at 1000 u have bigger problems
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Old Apr 12, 2010 | 06:37 PM
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Default Re: I push on the brakes and idle goes up ?

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does it come back down, ur idle is at 1000 u have bigger problems
It does go down ..neptune was set like that . its about 900 rpms
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Old Apr 12, 2010 | 06:41 PM
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My car does the same thing and has done so ever since I bought it. I always just thought it was normal.
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Old Apr 12, 2010 | 06:52 PM
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yeah it should be fine, mine goes up maybe 300 rpm or so when i pump the brakes. its normal. You dont want it going down is whats bad, ur car would stall or hesitate everytime u brake
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Old Apr 13, 2010 | 01:23 AM
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Happened to me when I was having problems with my brake booster
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Old Apr 13, 2010 | 02:40 AM
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Default Re: I push on the brakes and idle goes up ?

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yeah it should be fine, mine goes up maybe 300 rpm or so when i pump the brakes. its normal. You dont want it going down is whats bad, ur car would stall or hesitate everytime u brake
No it won't.

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Also, the pedal takes longer to push down and is almost squshy .
You have air in your lines.
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Old Apr 13, 2010 | 03:16 AM
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the rpms would increase on my car when i was sitting still and pumped the brakes, its just revving the motor to create more vacuum for the braking system, but the mushy pedal, bleed those bastards, get a power bleeder or something, make your life easier
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Old Apr 13, 2010 | 06:57 AM
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Default Re: I push on the brakes and idle goes up ?

I thought RPMs increase when you press brakes because it uses some engine power to use the power brakes (hydraulic). When I'm sitting at a light, and I push pretty hard (not abusively) on the brakes, my RPMs raise about 4-500 RPMs. From like 7-800 RPMs to about 12-1300 RPMs. If this is not supposed to happen then I have a problem too! But as far as I've heard, just like with some power steering setups, it raises your idle a little.
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Old Apr 13, 2010 | 08:27 AM
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power steering i think lowers it but the car recognises the lower rpm and raises it quickly to compensate.
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Old Apr 13, 2010 | 09:11 AM
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Default Re: I push on the brakes and idle goes up ?

Originally Posted by eghatch420
I thought RPMs increase when you press brakes because it uses some engine power to use the power brakes (hydraulic).

It uses no engine power to use your brakes and they are not power assisted. Your brakes are vacuum assisted, hence the brake booster. Which is why engine idle will fluctuate when you use your brakes while no load is on the engine, vacuum is changing and causes the engine speed to fluctuate because of an increase/decrease in vacuum
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Old Apr 14, 2010 | 04:40 PM
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Default Re: I push on the brakes and idle goes up ?

It was the check valve. The original one **** the bed , picked one up from honda for 30- and now its fine !

Thanks guys
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Old Apr 14, 2010 | 06:16 PM
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Default Re: I push on the brakes and idle goes up ?

Originally Posted by DUKE LADUKE
It was the check valve. The original one **** the bed , picked one up from honda for 30- and now its fine !

Thanks guys
whats fixed the idle problem, the mushy brake pedal, or the pulse when brakes are applied?
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Old Apr 14, 2010 | 06:42 PM
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Idle issue and mushy brake pedal .. check valve

Warped rotor caused the vibration.. fixed
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Old May 9, 2011 | 11:53 PM
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Default Re: I push on the brakes and idle goes up ?

Can you make what the "check valve" more clearly?
And where its located?
Cuz mine does same and I wanna replace the check valve
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Old May 10, 2011 | 07:45 AM
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Check valve is a one-way valve in the vacuum line running from the intake manifold to the brake booster. It prevents vacuum from being forced back when you push the pedal. If its bad it will let back prrssure out and the pedal will feel squishy
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Old May 10, 2011 | 09:00 AM
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if you want to find a leak, get some tb cleaner and spray on the areas where leak could be a problem. watch out tho, its not the safest of things to do cause it combustible, but when you find the leak the engine should sputter b/c of the cleaner.
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