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Old Mar 28, 2010 | 08:15 AM
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I have a 2000 Civic si. I have been searcing and trying things on the car for a couple weeks and still no luck.

Ill start from the begining. about 6 weeks ago the car started developing a very bad miss. I replaced the plugs and wires and it ran great again. This lasted about 3 weeks and the miss came back. After turning the ingition over noticed the screw had come out. At this point the car still ran, just with a bad miss. So i figured i had found the issue and replaced the cap,rotor and screw. To my suprise it now would no longer start at all.

I have verified the fireing order, checked each plug for spark and they all get good hot spark, the fuel pump is engaging and injectors are opening propoperly. Upon turning key the cel comes on for 2 seconds and turns off like it should. all fuses are good.

I'm completly stumped on this right now. I have not checked the timing yet, but that seems unlikely as it still fired and ran before changing the cap and rotor. Oh and i also tried putting the old cap and rotor back on and still nothing.

Any ideas? I'd GREATLY appreciate any help
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Old Mar 28, 2010 | 12:08 PM
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what does the car do when you try and start it? Does it just crank?
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Old Mar 28, 2010 | 02:19 PM
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what does the car do when you try and start it? Does it just crank?
it cranks, but its sometimes attempts to start, almost like one cylinder will attempt to pick up but quickly gets haulted. sometimes it will backfire aswell. almost seems like when the cylinders are firing out of order.
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Old Mar 28, 2010 | 02:21 PM
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sounds like a bad distributor.
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Old Mar 28, 2010 | 02:47 PM
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hmm double check your firing order, I think his dizzy is fine if he gets spark
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Old Mar 28, 2010 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Ruben19
sounds like a bad distributor.
if i still have good spark on all 4 I wouldn't think it was the distributor?

Originally Posted by mikeycivic
hmm double check your firing order, I think his dizzy is fine if he gets spark
That was my initial thought as thats what it sounds like but i have literally checked it 10 times. wish it was that simple
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Old Mar 28, 2010 | 05:03 PM
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what is your firing order, mine was doing the same thing for a while and I thought it was right and it ended up being wrong.




Do you get a fast crank or a normal crank?

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Old Mar 28, 2010 | 05:43 PM
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yah mines 1342 starting at the bottom left of the cap when installed. It seems to have a normal crank. Tomorrow im going to check to my sure my TDC is still lined up. I dont know how it would have happened but im out of things that make sence lol.
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Old Mar 28, 2010 | 05:48 PM
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maybe the screw messed the coil up, my buddies did just that shattered the coil. It would try to start and would for a sec then shut off.
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Old Mar 28, 2010 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 20sir00
yah mines 1342 starting at the bottom left of the cap when installed. It seems to have a normal crank. Tomorrow im going to check to my sure my TDC is still lined up. I dont know how it would have happened but im out of things that make sence lol.


your firing order should be just like that pic, if yours is 1342 starting from the bottom left, then that wouldnt be right
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 07:13 AM
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If you move the rotor out of position in the cap change, your timing is out. old shitty fuel filter will also pose as a problem with missing and running shitty.
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 07:39 AM
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Put the number one cylinder at tdc and make sure your rotor is pointing to your number one cylinder. it sounds like your rotor isn't in the correct position.
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 07:45 AM
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the rotor and dizzy only go in one way. there is no way it can be off unless he jumped a tooth and isnt in tdc, but I dont think thats the issue.
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by mikeycivic
the rotor and dizzy only go in one way. there is no way it can be off unless he jumped a tooth and isnt in tdc, but I dont think thats the issue.

That is not true! He could have put it 180 out. Yes the rotor can only go one of 2 ways the right position or completly opposite of the right position. Putting #1 cylinder at TDC will tell you wether the rotor is on correctly. It will either be pointing were it should be (#1 cylinder) or at the wrong position (#4 cylinder)
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 11:18 AM
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you obviously are a noob, the dizzy can only go in one way which eliminates the possibility of it being 180 out
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 12:51 PM
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You think so? Ok go outside take your rotor off and look and then come back and let us all know what you find there big guy!
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 01:00 PM
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what do you mean what you will find. The fvcking rotor only goes on one way. The piece shaft on the other side of the dizzy has a flat side on it. That side line up with the cam inside the head. YOU CANNOT PUT IT IN WRONG. IT IS IDIOT PROOF. You cannot put the dizzy in 180 degrees out ITS IMPOSSIBLE
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by mikeycivic
you obviously are a noob, the dizzy can only go in one way which eliminates the possibility of it being 180 out
this is true. on the rotor side, it's got a flat side and the rest is round, and on the cam side it is stepped on each side of the notch to prevent being installed out of phase.

OP, sounds like a possible distributor issue...could be the ignitor.

also could be your ecu.

a friend of mine had a similar issue on, interestingly enough, the same car. we went through everything finally deciding it was the ignitor/distributor or ecu. despite just trying to replace the ignitor first salvaged from a known good used distributor, he replaced the entire distributor with a new unit from distributor king or whatever it's called and tried a new ecu at the same time... and it started. he never looked back, ie never tried the old ecu to deduce it was the distributor or not, etc.
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Old Mar 30, 2010 | 03:40 AM
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My point was the distributor has 2 ears that align with the intake cam. Those ears can go in 2 different ways. The right way which will point the rotor to the #1 cylinder or 180 out pointing it to the #4 cylinder. there is no need to get ugly about it its not your fault that you may have forgotten about that thats why OP is here to get multiple opinions.
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Old Mar 30, 2010 | 03:44 AM
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The two ears that are circled is what mates into the intake cam. It is absolutely possible for it to be put in 180 out and causing a starting issue.
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Old Mar 30, 2010 | 05:23 AM
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you are a fvcking idiot dude. think what you want. You obviously dont know what you're talking about. The part you have circled has a FLAT SIDE on one side whch ELIMINATES THE POSSIBILITY OF IT GOING IN WRONG ID10T.
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Old Mar 30, 2010 | 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by mikeycivic
you are a fvcking idiot dude. think what you want. You obviously dont know what you're talking about. The part you have circled has a FLAT SIDE on one side whch ELIMINATES THE POSSIBILITY OF IT GOING IN WRONG ID10T.
Wow! just one question do you have problems walking through doors? Cause your dome must be massive. Google it BIEATCH!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old Mar 30, 2010 | 05:46 AM
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you should google it. You have no clue what your talking about. We will figure out the problem without your misdirecting advice.
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Old Mar 30, 2010 | 05:51 AM
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LOL ok bro my google must not be as smart as yours. Good luck OP
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Old Mar 30, 2010 | 05:52 AM
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No your google is fine its just the idiot user
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