Beware of licensed driver!!! 95 Acura Integra SCCA car # 14 (Fake JDM Type R) Krishneel Chand

I recently attended the SCCA licensing school at Thunderhill.
The weekend was full of track time. Three days worth to be exact.
Days one, and two went fine, my car was behaving and holding up, my crew was on top of everything.
When day three came up we went from lapping, and practicing passing, to practice racing.
Rolling starts with a pace car and the whole 9 yards.
Race session one goes off nicely and I am having a ball.
Everyone is minding their space and being aware of who is around them.
No accidents.

The pack gets reshuffled for the final race which is practice after all, and while I was closing in on slower traffic this happens…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgs4hc-ryyQ


This car, which came out of nowhere, slams into me almost center mass and t-bones me while I am turning down hill.
I barely hit my left front tire on the apex of the turn and around I go.
Now you might ask, “how far back was this guy to me when I started the turn?”
My best guestimate is atleast 5 car lengths.
Upon getting the ok to refire and return to the course, I pull into the hot pits and get checked out, and return to the track.
Two laps later something is wrong with my car. I retire the car to impound for inspection.
It was in impound when I was able to confront the culprit.
Krishneel Chand driver of the number 14 fake JDM Type R.
Immediately he tells me it’s my fault - that he was attempting a pass.
I was dumbfounded to think that someone would try and pass a car on the apex of turn 5 at Thunderhill.
Where was he going to pass me? Over the top of me?

Anyway, at the end of the conversation he tells me he’d like to pay for the damages. I agree.
This is not required, but who am I to turn down repair money, especially when it was such a boneheaded move such as his.
Come Monday morning, and into Tuesday we make contact and he asks me for three estimates so he can see how much he will have to pay.
First estimate he balks at the sum, and I already know where this is going.
Another two estimates, each being cheaper than the last, and here comes the story of, ”I have no money”. I have a 50 thousand dollar truck and a business but I’m not rich yada, yada, yada.
Day three he offers up his engine and tranny for me to sell and repair my car.
On day four he backs completely out and tells me, “I don’t have to pay you anything… it’s racing”.
Well I knew that from day one, so I wasn’t surprised.
However, until that race school weekend, Mr. Chand admitted to me that he had never driven a car on a track ever.
So in watching this monkey for three days, he has had numerous off track excursions, spin outs, and a smash up in the last practice race.
What’s worse is this guy has a novice license!
I thought I’d let the California people know what kind of guy you might run into out there soon.

Much inexperience and no honor.

 

Dang I would keep away from him like the plague all the hard work you put into your car and to have noob come and throw it away just like that

I will keep a look out over in Socal GL

 

I was looking at the vid.... Ok turn 3...ok turn 4....turn 5 pow!!!. I would stay way from his *** at all times.

I do love turn 5 when I'm racing the gsxr.

 

Many things don't sound right.
SCCA let him take the comp school without prior track experience???
No official to review the tapes and put him (or you) at fault? It's a hit that caused the loss in position.

I'm really sorry about what happened....

 

when I went through comp school back in '05, we had a kid there that was a bit out of control with his car, too. Fortunately, he didn't hit anyone during the school, and ultimately, issues with his EG/B-series swap sidelined him halfway through Sunday, so he didn't pass. He was back out for the next school several months later, and somehow managed to pass. When he entered his first race, he decided to classify himself in Touring 2 (not sure how he managed to get away with that), but he had at least 3 four-wheel offs during the race before going off track a fourth time, re-entering full speed perpendicular to the track, and t-boning one of the ITB BMW 2002's, cracking it's subframe. In post race impound, he was asked to leave and would not be welcome back. I'm not sure how some of these guys get through, but they do, and the best we can do is be aware of them, and give them a wide berth, because sooner or later, they'll take themselves out of contention. And make sure you either file "not giving racing room" protests, or at the very least, file witness statements in post race impound, so there's a paper trail on these guys, which makes it easier for the club to do something about them.

 

Owned

That sucks paul

 

Holy crap that sucks! Sorry it happened man

How was he able to be at a licensing school if he'd never had track time? Shoot, how did he have the ***** to think he was good enough? Do you think you can talk to SCCA about it? I'm not familiar with their rules and regs but there has to be some sort of action/report you can file against him. I doubt either of you guys had those cars insured so compensation in that regard is probably out of the question. Since it was a school and not an actual race does that give you some room to pursue legal action to compensate for the damage?

Hopefully he stays up on the NorCal tracks. I like my GSR

 

What an ***. I would always conflict and violence at the best of times, but you my friend have one long fuse. Regardless of wealth status here in ireland that guy would would be paying weather he wants to or not.

 

Wow sorry to see that happen and the results afterwards. I would also ask SCCA how he was able to get in without any previous racing experience.

Too bad you cannot paint the guy's car fluroescent pink as a "Stay away" symbol.

 

Unfortunately, SCCA does not have a "prior experience" requirement. Anyone can show up and do a comp school.

Paul, sorry again dude. That pic definitely shows him airborne, takes a pretty massive impact to accomplish that. He probably would've way overshot the turn if you weren't there.

 

I probably saved the poor guys life by being there.
He was found at fault for the incident but yet received a license anyway.

I am not worried about compensation that ship sailed.
Just want to warn those out there he could be out there with you next!

 

Wow did not know that.

As for the t-bone, he was probably thinking "Hey it works in Gran Tourismo, it should work on the track too". You know when you go into a turn too hot, just use other cars to get you back inline.

 

LOL... I needed a good laugh to start my day now I have gotten one! thanks.
No requirement at all.. pay your money come on out and crash cars.

 

looks like you had damage turned on, lol.

 

that is par for the course with SCCA.


You can literally sign up for the the SCCA school and have it be your very first time on the track ever..


Sorry about the damage Paul.

Edit just watched the video.. wow WTF you guys were going like 6/10th or 7/10th...

I've never really raced with the crows nest but the few times i have it wasn't a good place to pass. There is little to no room up there and its just a general cluster F@@@ up there...

Certainly never a place I've tried a pass at.

And that is pretty upsetting that they still gave him a license.

 

That is the only thing to do. No need to fester about it. Just learn from it (and thanks for the warnings to others) and move on.

 

Someone seriously needs to evaluate who lets newbs like that take a license school.

Better luck next time Paul.

 

Wow, that's disappointing to hear.

 

Wow you got FRANK LINed.

 

Quote of the day.

But seriously. This matter is an issue and I partially blame the SCCA. My old man's been racing in SCCA since well before me and it seems every year or two there are issues with drivers that are clearly out of line, out of experience, or on-going problem makers that they do nothing about.

Example:

Two years ago at Nelson Ledges Road Course in OH, My dad was in a race w/ his F-production spitfire. He had worked his way up to the leader (An g2 integra i believe :-P) and got a great run on him going into the front straight and the white flag was coming out. A slower lapped car (AH Sprite i believe) was in the middle-left of the track and he stayed left along with the leader. As my dad continued on the right side to pass both of them for the lead, right before the bridge, (and right NEXT TO the sprite), he made a quick turn into our car at a good 120mph, spun him backwards, ramped up the inside of the bridge, and slammed down onto the track. The nose of the car was perpendicular to the racing surface... left gouges on the track when he landed. Luckily, my dad wasn't seriously injured but did suffer a completely bruised back which put him out for months.

After the incident, a review and session w/ the scca was held and the very old sprite driver, who has been in the scca for a long time (and always squirley) was finally let off w/o any punishment or penalty. Because he was a long-time member and knew people, he got away with nearly killing someone in a situation where a novice should have not even made a mistake...

In a sense you're very lucky that your incident happened in a slow section of the course and the damage was somewhat minor. The thing is i'm sure you're not the only person for this to happen to under scca schools or early races.

By allowing new drivers to take a racing school, this is a selling point, and incentive for average joe to spend their money by racing with them and becoming a long-time member.

So in conclusion.... SCCA is very political and will always be, if it's about rule-changes, new drivers, incidents, or even long-time drivers who should never be allowed in a car in the first place.

Sorry for the long post but the story just seems like a little bit of a flashback of how SCCA could have prevented dangerous drivers from screwing over the smart ones.

Hope the car gets patched up and best of luck with your racing - and if you did or when you get your license - congrats! Be safe and have fun!

 

Bad luck Paul... You clearly had the line, Your left front wheel must have been right at the marker pylon at the point of impact, and the other car obviously misjudged his braking or turn in, but had no business trying to pass there!
I can't believe that this could happen at a Licensing School! And none of you were driving anywhere near the limit.
Fortunately the damage does not look to be too serious. Let me know if there is anything we can do to help.

Kiwi

 

That is a real bummer man, but if I may offer some bit of advise. He will not be that last guy that makes a mistake and takes you out. I was running my new car for he first time last year and a fellow H2 competitor blew it and took me out in T14 at thunderhill. I ended up with almost identical damage to yours. Point being, people make mistakes. We are out there on track with drivers, some with pro experiance, and for others it is their first time. Go easy on guys that blow it. Us honda racers have to stick together, and flamming a guy on the internet for a bonehead move is kinda harsh. I once had a guy rearend me in the paddock cuz he was taking his helmet off while driving! He did about $3000 damage to the back of my H1 car, and sent me a check for $200. I swallowed my face and cashed the check.

I understand how frustrating it is, especially since your car is new and you didn't expect major body damage before you even had your license. If you feel the need to blow off some steam with your internet buddies, try and keep in anonymous. "Some bonehead took out my car at an SCCA school." would be sufficient IMO. Post your vid, talk some ****. And remember, one day you will be the guy that blows it.

BTW, great looking car. I hear from Brian Z that you are a norcal guy. Looking forward to meeting you.

 

wow. i read all the comments before watching. the fact you were not even remotely close to the limit of anything. ie slowing down for traffic ahead..slow turn in and whaaammm nelson piquet jr out of nowhere. and as adam stated i think..for him to lift wheels from a hit at those "speeds" shows wtf he was or wasnt doing. sorry to hear/see about your damages.

 

Mike, I think its more the attitude of the guy rather than just the incident. I can also attest that Paul was hesitant posting in the first place, and that I encouraged him to go for it. At least for me, trusting the other drivers on track is a big part of this activity. Sure, **** happens sometimes, but a person who can't recognize a mistake they make, and then can't take responsibility for it, to me doesn't belong there.

Not discounting your opinion, just explaining my own perspective on it.

 

I understand, one mistake generally leads to another as was the case here. The integra should have sacced up and said, "sorry, I blew it," shook hands and walked away. We all understand that paying for damage to others racecars is a slippery slope and has no place in racing. I imagine that the relative inexperiance of both involved took this issue to a place it shouldn't have, paying for the damage.