Forgive me if this has been said before, but I cant remember seeing it anywhere in our forum.


The 7th gen accord V6 has integrated exhaust manifolds into the cylinder head. That means no aftermarket headers without replacing the head too and no custom turbo setups.

 

GHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

so is this cast iron heads?

 

dang, its almost like manufacturers today are TRYING to make it impossible to modify cars anymore. if not impossible then way to expensive to be worth your time and money

 

Is there some sort of advantage to the average consumer or for honda in using integrated exhaust manifolds?


[Modified by Gr8Accord, 5:15 PM 9/8/2002]

 

Also, they put the engines of the Civic and RSX in totally different places in the bay, meaning any K20A2 swaps into 7th gen Civics will entail installing an RSX subframe as well. Just thought it might be sorta related.

 

that is what they are trying to do: make it impossible to modify a car

 

aluminum as far as i know.


Automakers arent trying to make cars un-modifiable(sp?) they just dont care. They build a car a car to satisfy customer wants and needs and in a fashion that is conducive for profitability. Honda doesnt make any money on aftermarket modifications. Gotta remember that.


Edit: we have to keep in mind that we are a very small minority of Honda owners


[Modified by HondaSport, 5:38 PM 9/8/2002]

 

Actually, I think that inderectly, they do.

Honda resale value has gone through the roof. Honda makes money when people buy used or even knew Hondas from dealerships and they profit when they bring their cars in for service. The more Hondas there are on the road, the more money they make.

What is the advantage of this type of integrated exhaut manifold?

 

actually I doubt it is easier to make a car with whole large castings vs discrete parts. It is the Federal whackos that are regulation happy that are causing this.......

 

I see your point. But I dont agree. The amount of Hondas on the road has nothing to do with the aftermarket. The majority of aftermarket tuned Hondas are bought used, then modified. Most are bought new with no intention of being modified. Look how little aftermarket there is for the 7th gen civic. They still sell those things as much as the 6th gen. We have to remember how small a part of the Honda owners we are.

 

However, many Honda's are bought with the intent and knowledge that they will have aftermarket support in the future....poeple will drive around under warranty, once the warranty is up, they mod it. And those 'certified pre-owned Hondas,' are making Honda money because some of those are being bought for the sole purpose of modification. And those that do buy Hondas used and not from Honda dealerships will inherintly find themselves in a Honda parts or service departing getting a part or service done that cant be had/done anywhere else, thus making Honda money. That is justification for my "the more hondas on the road, the more money Honda makes" statement.

 

if you buy a certified preowned vehicle to mod you just lost a good deal of $$$ in mod money. the vehicle i look to find for a hybrid etc is like my old 92 Civic CX. Good body, blown headgasket... 700 dollars.

i would wager its cheaper for the heads to be cast with the manifolds... anything an automaker does is to make it CHEAPER to make the car... remember that. The only other thing I could think of is federal emissions/CARB compliance. Perhaps those ****'s at CARB are forcing people to do this so cars wont be evil emissions pumping machines or something... or made to be rather.


[Modified by GimpyAccord, 11:43 PM 9/8/2002]

 

So do the import 'tuners' that buy altezzas, big rims, and wings. Not everyone thinks logically or rationally....espcially when blinded by Import Tuner or Super Street bling bling y0...wha wha wha.

 

Pick up the lastest Car & Driver, it has a write up about the 7th gen V6 coupe. They have a sidebar in the column that states that the exhaust manifolds are incorporated into the head and get this - Oil changes every 10,000 miles, not the normal 3K miles like averyone else.

How can Honda do this? Sounds weird to me.

 

people have been raising the service interval on cars for the last decade as some kinda selling point. 10k is too long IMO, esp if you're in a stop&go, hot, and/or dirty environment.

OT: most people dont change their oil anyway seriously.. my womans mom bought a 97 Camry new in 97, and in 1999 I drive it somewhere .. notice its ticking. I check the oil and its on the dipstick like molassis and I pose the question: When did you last change the oil. answer: "oil?" .. it still had its original oil/filter from 1997 and 30k miles later.


[Modified by GimpyAccord, 1:30 AM 9/9/2002]

 

that's not always true... especially in Honda's case.

some crazy things have been done in synthetic oil in recent years. lots of R&D. they no longer breakdown like they used too.

 

That car is done! 30k is usually when most cars with original oil die.

 

just curious, but who here has bought the comptec header for the current v6...nobody i bet...and so therefore, who cares about the new one being incorporated...it is probably a decent header as it is an no need to be modified...but it probably does have about 4 catylitic converters on it and a trillion resonators and pre-silencers...so be happy that the exhaust is not all one piece as well...

so all in all, i think most people would be happy with 240 hp with a big tourquey v6...sure they may want more, but since when has buying a new header ever given a ton of power anyways...unless you are arguing for the sake of a turbo application, i see no point why the stock one is restrictive enough to where it is mandatory to be replaced or your car will never be a competitor...hell, honda probably got in an argument with DC or something and realized: hey, dc makes most of their money on headers, we'll show them!!!...haha, or something like that...so there!

 

I could be wrong cause I don't really pay attention to 6th gens too much, but I thought comptech headers were supposed to perform really well on them like 10hp or so?

 

whats good for the avg consumer is not always the best for performance.

Whatever this is all moot to me anyway. I can't afford a new car .. i'll check back in 2015 when i can.


[Modified by GimpyAccord, 5:04 AM 9/9/2002]

 

Thats a good argument and all, but I think the 4 cylinder exhaust manifold is also one peice.

 

i know this is off topic, but seems to me everythings dying/fading out now. Rx-7, GT-R, and the s14/s15 silvias, toyota supra are all out of production. all of japans super cars are done for. i saw a video explaining that.
anyways..george bush is against street racing due to the movie the fast and the furious....

 

They are only out of production in the US due to poor sales and stupid laws.

 

it was a japanese video...they're all done for.. rx-8 replaces rx-7, no more gtrs as of planned, might be a r35, but highly unlikely, supra has a replacement coming, silvias are done.... sucks ***