I had been thinking about this, and one of the members here brought it up. I think it's time to ask you guys definitively.

I've made no secret that I want this forum to follow in the spirit of the ITR forum, in the same way the 8th-gen Si follows in the spirit of the ITR (if not to the exact letter).

Is the best way to do this to separate the K20 cars from the R18 cars?

Please bear in mind that even if the consensus is an overwhelming yes, it is not necessarily in my power to make it happen. I'd have to take it to a minimum of 3-4 people, and they might feel as though it is not worth the trouble. So, no guarantees. But I will go to bat 100% for whatever you guys want to do.

Please write a few sentences explaining your vote. I have made the poll public; no one should feel any pressure to vote any particular way, but you should feel compelled to explain your choices logically.

 

I would love an Si only forum.. Unfortunately it could leave R18 owners in the dust. I think we need to compete with 8th civic. I have been a long time poster on Honda-Tech, It is actually my forum of choice, but the knowledge base for 8th gen cars especially Si's on H-T is really lacking.

So I vote yes

 

you contradict yourself there - you want a stronger knowledge base, but you want to limit the people who'd be in a proposed Si subforum solely based on the driveline. if an Si owner has some suspension questions, or technical questions about how something comes apart, who's to say that someone with the SOHC can't help them? The SOHC member certainly isn't hurting the knowledge base, but if you remove them completely, then you have no chance of them being involved to potentially solve the problem.

i voted a strong no. any communal aspect of the subforum is best maintained by keeping everyone with that gen together. just because someone has a k20 and a 6 speed in their car doesn't mean that someone with an automatic r18 will not be able to help them with the countless other aspects of their car which are identical to the Si counterpart. and vice versa.

the main thing is you limit the views to your queries when you start breaking up the subforum like that. i can't be sure, but my feeling is you'd end up with single cam owners hanging in the Si section trying to get answers for anything-but-engine-answers since the Si section would have more members, by default.

i've been in this subforum for a few years since my initial 8th gen Si purchase and i can tell you it's entirely different than the ITR forum. generally speaking, it's a different generation of enthusiasts, different goals, different use/reasons for the cars, etc.

i'd be curious to see how many people, especially those who have or have had ITRs, agree with your assessment of the Si as it relates to the ITR. i've never gotten that at all, really. An ITR would never have a subwoofer, navigation or sunroof, or shitty suppliers for their parts. Honda made the 99-00 Si as a way to bring the Si moniker back, but without stepping on the toes of the then current GSR. The ep3 had a more powerful engine than the other civics in its gen, but again, in order to not encroach on the RSX-S, they held it back with a 5 speed and a lower power engine. well, since the demise of the RSX-S, there is nothing else stateside for the Civic to run against from the Honda/Acura lineup. so by default it got the 6 speed and k20z3. it'd be totally outclassed versus the other econoboxes from competing mfrs if it DIDN'T have that. the Civic Si is exactly what it says it is - the higher performance Civic. it's not a stripped down, limited edition, track intended sports car meant for a very small niche of enthusiasts.

my 2 cents.

 

Would be nice in the future if there was a huge surge in r18 posts, but not at this moment. Like previously stated, 99% of posts are Si already and the R18 section would fade away.

 

i voted no because the si and r18 can be compared to the gsr and the ls its still the same body and componets it just has a different motor. To say the si follows in the spirit of the itr is a reach.

 

I agreed with separation because I think it helps segment things. The R forum has hangers from the integra forum in there asking about suspension this and motor that because it is a different perspective and a secondary source of information. I never said, block all R18 owners from posting. I think that Honda-Techs organizational structure could use some work. There is no standard for what models are treated differently and how. Civics have different segments, CRX/EF / 92-00 + del sol (which is stupid because the del sol is a very different car in many aspects) / 01+ / EP3+RSX. I think If your going to segment individual models than do it throughout.

And my statement about wanting more of a knowledge base for 8th gen civics was not relative to why i wanted separation. I simply stated that Honda-Tech needs more support for this generation car.

I dont agree in relating the Type R and the Civic Si as the same class. However I dont think the Type R should be in a class of its own. Its a great car, I have drove many and I have a powerful appreciation for the "R" moniker. However created a Type R specific forum opened a can of worms, splitting the integra community into elitist R owners and the rest. So if were going to support that ideology, than why not include 06+ Si's in that class. The Type R is simply a better performing integra, just like the Si is a better performing Civic.

 

R18 traffic is going to be dead for a while until the normal 8th-gen Civics get cheap enough for street racers and road racers to use on a throwaway basis.

I do understand the point about killing R18-related traffic, but is there enough of it anyway? At this point, I dunno. When the cars get cheaper, sure. But as of now you can't spend $10k and build a killer 8th gen, the way you could do an EG/ITR/5-lug killer. The R18 car alone will cost you that much and the base cars are not quite as tuner-friendly as the old EG/EK/CRX/Integras were.

And to echo the previous poster above me, it's not as though R18 drivers will be shut out of the Si forum. The ITR forum was and is read/contributed to by a LOT of people that don't have ITRs.

 

I don't think there's enough traffic in the 06+ Civic forum to make splitting it a good idea. It's dead enough as it is.

 

exactly. that's a main point that has to be considered.

 

Maybe create a sub forum like K Motor in the All Motor section.


K Motor

 

Well, I am not satisfied with the amount of traffic in here. I want it to increase, and I think it will once the "OFFICIAL" threads are complete and this is an easy place for people to come and get info about modding these cars.

Also, I'm planning for the future. My main thought is that once the car gets cheaper, there will be a different kind of buyer/forum browser.

Right now it's people that can afford $20-25k on a screaming FWD Honda. That's daily-driver money...not show car money, or track car/race car money.

Once the cars - even the 08+ - can be easily had in the $10-15k range, we'll see the demographics start to change. It won't be just a daily driver anymore; we'll see more auto-X/road-race queries, more drag stuff, more swap questions.

I don't want to go to 8th for all that, and I know a lot of members in here don't want to either. I want this forum to be the web's #1 destination for 8th-gen Si owners.

Also, let's keep in mind that the next Civic is not going be a giant leap forward. Honda had a revolutionary model but shelved it for economic concerns. The next Civic will be an evolution of the current one, and the 8th gen won't be obsolete for a while. So this forum won't be dead for long.

 

I'm with vladd and bh on this one.

There used to be an official FA1/FG1 thread created by one of the members (probably Nighthawk R18). It was identical to the official ______ threads all into one. We could just revive that thread instead of splitting the entire forum.

 

man i miss jj

 

I see several people voting without justifying themselves.

Weak.

 

It's up to you guys. I do not feel strongly about it one way or another, and understand the points on all sides.

Let me just warn you, however, that I would probably want to see 100 votes in favour of creating a new forum or sub-forum.

When there are over a quarter million subscribers, it's not always the wisest thing to do moving in a direction because a couple dozen want something.

 

Are there even 100 8th-gen Civic owners on this site? lol

Thank you for chiming in.

 

I'm not sure if it's time yet for a separate Si forum. I'm sure when the ITR's came out the ITR sub forum wasn't created right then. I think in time one would be beneficial but not now.

 

To be fair, that was 1997 and I'm not even sure H-T existed!

 

What? There was teh interwebz before 2000?

 

Have you voted yet? Your opinion carries a good deal of weight with this particular moderator and I would love to hear what you have to say.

 

Don't worry, I have although I am in the minority in this case.

 

Duh, sorry. lol

 

Don't care. It wouldn't bother me. I'd give it about 2-5 years, this place is going to be overflowing with R18 owners, I will just have to wait.

 

I'm going to be honest, I stopped coming to the 06+ forums because I was tired of seeing threads from people who have never owned a Honda before. Warranty questions, R18 bolt on questions, general hardparking. It's like the Si doesn't have the same following as older Honda models (even including the RSX). Very few threads on topics that are useful to the enthusiasts. But I'm pretty sure this is due to the fact that this car is still sorta "new". Now I have nothing against "new" Honda owners, it's just I've grown up in this "scene" and really have little to no patience to answer questions for fools who don't have the where with all to do their own research.

I voted that we should create an Si forum, but after considering it I agree more with mcvtec who said we should just have a subforum for Si's. And although there isn't that much traffic on the 06+ forum already, it's quality over quantity right? And like Ross said maybe soon enough the demographics of Si owners should change and it won't just be threads about which rims look the sickest with Fiji Blue Pearl.

I bought an Si in 2007 brand new. And in all honesty, it was Si or bust. No offense, but I wasn't even going to get an EX. I would've honestly just bought a beater instead. And I'm POSITIVE many members who own Si's felt the same way. The least you can do is give us a subforum to talk about dual cam, LSD and why we spent a couple more grand.

But hey, what does my opinion matter? I'm just gonna go back to the EF forums to talk about my EF Si. It's kinda sad that I actually find it more fun to drive this 20 year old econocar than my FG2.

 

But I do agree that you guys should try to do something to become THE place to be for 8th gen Civics because 8thgencivic.com or whatever is pretty gay.