Found this, of all places, on the Popular Mechanics web site....
http://popularmechanics.com/automoti...ra_rsx_type_s/
$4800 - daaaiiiim that alot of jack.

 

its retail, and its closest to type R you will get.

i say save the 4800 and save it for parts

you'll come ahead.

 

yah i'm sure acura is makin a buck off this. it's just a combo of parts.. i can think of a LOT of stuff to do for 4800.

 

I'll say it one more time... Would you pay $2700 for an RSX, or the same for a 350Z? I say no contest, the performance package is garbage

 

Sounds like a steal?

 

I think he meant $27000

But after T,T&F's you're lookin at $28,000+ not 27

 

Thanks smartass

 

 

 

i'd take that 28 k , and buy a 350Z that does 14.0 second flat 1/4 mile runs...and it'll run circles around a Rsx ....plus it has LSD

 

And RWD

 

yup....thats the biggest + ..forgot about tat

 

I think Honda has gone nuts! Why would I pay them extra for that ****? I guess some teenager will get his dad to pay for it.

BTW I am 17 and I pay for my car. Parents payed the DP but I got the rest plus insurence.

 

Hate all you want guys, but look at the costs - for some LIGHT 17 x 7.5s w/ the tires they provide, you are looking at better than $500 per corner (I figured SSR Competitions) - Lowering springs will set you back $200 - some non-specific shocks at least another $100/corner (more for something decent like Koni yellows) - Slotted rotors and pads - another $175/corner -

That's $3,300 and you haven't even figured the spoilers or wing or anything for installation. Plus you get your entire factory warranty w/ no pissing and moaning from your dealer about ball joints wearing out because of non-stock wheel sizes, or that your power windows crapped out because of vibrations from your aftermarket suspension...

If this stuff isn't your thing, fine, but these are things most people who hit enthusiast boards are doing anyway at a cost that really isn't too excessive and can be financed at car rates rather than credit card rates.

Paul


[Modified by tec-9-7, 8:13 AM 9/10/2002]

 

I think that everyone is missing the big picture here...

Honda is purporting that this package (and the similar package for the Civic EX) is a package designed to cater to the enthusiast driver. This is a scam. Nothing could be further from the truth. These types of packages do not cater to the enthusiast. This shows that Honda is only interested in catering to their dealers.

The problem is that these are dealer-installed packages. The dealers love them beacuse they now make a profit on 1) the car, 2) the $4800 parts package, and 3) the 6hrs x $70/hr installation labor. What could have been a very nice $1200-$1500 factory option package on a RSX has become a $4800 + $420 debacle so that Honda can throw a bone to its dealers. So now you are needlessly paying for two sets of brakes, two sets of wheels and tires, two sets of dampers, two sets of springs, two sets of side rocker garnish... PLUS installation!? puh-leese...

Make no mistake, Honda is not offering the packages because they want to satisfy their enthusiast customers. They are offering it to satisfy their dealers.

Andrew

 

Then why limit it to 1000 units? Have you priced Honda optional ground effects? The color keyed parts (chin, rockers, and rear) for a 5th gen Prelude were over $1000 from Manchester Honda. I can see not being entirely happy about having to buy the ground effects, wing, and shift **** to get the wheels/tires/shocks/springs/pads/rotors, but hell sometimes you have to take the good with the bad... You're pissed about having to buy two sets? Fine, make the dealer give you the parts they take off... This is stuff the dealer actually has to work on and do and warranty , not like the $200 pinstripes, or the $900 'paint and fabric protectant'. Have you even driven a S outfitted w/ this package?

Paul

 

I'm not knocking the package. It's a very nice list of upgrades, and I'm sure that it significantly alters the dynamic manners of the car. But I stand by my contention that if Honda really cared about the enthusiast market this package (and the Civic EX package) would be offered as a far more cost effective factory option at a much smaller premium. As it stands, the way that this package is offered is primarily designed to make the dealers happy, not the customers...

Andrew

 

Well, that would be nice if they did - historically tho, Honda hasn't really offered option packages other than an automatic transmission - they just make seperate models as in the Prelude SH or the ITR, or dealer installed options (99-00 Civic SI spoilers, fog lights, etc) - again though, look at the cost premium on those cars when new - the SH was several thousand more than a base Prelude and the R, well... Should they offer and RSX-S-SH w/ the above stuff factory at a thousand bucks less? Maybe; but I would think there would be substantial costs in adding another model - advertising, literature, crash testing, EPA certification, and you would still have people complaining about what was being supplied and at the cost.

Tough for Honda to win on this one, but at least they are trying.

Paul

 

Take a look at a 2001 Integra GS-R VS 2001 Integra TypeR. For all of the substantial upgrades to the TypeR model over the lesser GS-R, it still only stickered for about $2500 more than the GS-R model. (~$22,000 MSRP for a GS-R VS ~$24,500 MSRP for a TypeR, right?) Look at all the upgrades you got from the factory for your extra $2500 on the Intergra TypeR VS what you get for $5000+ your from the Acura dealer for the add-on performance pack in question.

Again, I think this would be a very attractive (and still profitable) package if offered for around a $1500 premium as a factory package or model...

Andrew

 

True enough, but you give up some things (sun roof, cruise control and sound deadening) to get the performance - before you dismiss the sunroof as luxury, let me just add that they already had a body (RS) without one; they didn't have to engineer it out to make the package - put the sunroof in and you are looking at a $2500 difference. Also, re the sticker, you can almost always negotiate the GS-R down - no such luck w/ the R. Hey, I think they should go ahead and bring the RSX-R over too, but if they aren't going to, this is a reasonable way to address some of the biggest complaints about the RSX-S. Look, I really don't think the FP package is the be-all and end-all, I guess I just don't think it's the rip-off that most people seem to.

Paul

 

By the way Andrew, thanks for the intelligent debate!

Paul

 

True. So rare to find on h-t.com nowadays...
Bah, I have nothing better to do at work. Is it time to go home yet? Ahhh, only 7 more minutes....

Andrew

 

Hey Andrew, FWIW, Jeff over at TOV confirmed that, as this is a dealer-installed package, you can get all the 'take-off' parts, either to use or to sell - would that take a little of the sting out of the price to you?

Paul

 

I had always assumed that you would be able to keep your original parts. The original wheels and all season tires might be useful for winter driving. But the rest of the stock stuff is of little use and has little resale value IMO...

Somebody with a Base RSX might want some of the stock RSX parts - maybe $150 for the painted RSX side sills, maybe $25 each for the brake rotors ($25x4 = $100), maybe $300 for the suspension (does the Base RSX have the same springs and shocks?)

Andrew

 

Hmmm... I wonder if they will sell you this Performance Package on a Base RSX. The Base model could terrorize the SCCA Solo2 G Stock class with the suspension and brake upgrades IMO. The TypeS model is already pretty well outclassed in D Stock, and I don't think this package would help its cause to much when it has to compete with TypeRs, WRXs, and AWD turbo DSMs. But the Base model RSX could become a contender if the SCCA allowed the Base to remain in a stock class with this upgrade option...

Andrew


[Modified by aklucsarits, 2:03 PM 9/11/2002]