Torlon 4435 as a suspension bushing material for the track
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I was looking for info on the options for materials that that be used for bushings when I saw Andrie's post about Delrin. https://honda-tech.com/forums/road-racing-autocross-time-attack-19/if-you-could-honda-trailing-arm-bushing-what-brand-would-you-2717766/
I remembered I had come across this material called Torlon and was wondering if anyone else had ever heard of it.
The supplier is Drake Plastic http://www.drakeplastics.com/index.php
and here is what they give as features of Torlon:
Torlon is the strongest, stiffest melt processable plastic available.
Torlon is stronger at 450ºF than many plastics are at room temperature.
Torlon offers extraordinary thermal and electrical insulation in 4203 and 5030 Grades
Torlon offers metal mimicking thermal expansion, which eliminates fit and clearance problems.
Torlon has a low coefficient of friction and exceptional wear resistance.
Torlon is often the right choice for applications where high loads, temperature extremes and wear resistance are required.
It is used by Ferrari Risi Competizione in ALMS at Sebring. Here is a press release about it:
http://www.solvayadvancedpolymers.co...rari091003.pdf
“Since TORLON 4435 was used, the bushings have exhibited ‘zero wear’ in four
races, including Sebring, Daytona and LeMans,” said Richard Taylor of the Risi Team.
http://www.drakeplastics.com/new_products.php
11. FERRARI 430GT SUSPENSION BUSHINGS
The Ferrari race team Risi Competizione has upgraded to Torlon 4435 suspension bushings supplied by Drake Plastics. Each car has 8 upper and 8 lower bushings. The factory bushing material wears out and has to be changed between every race. The Risi Team engineers were seeking a solution before running the Daytona 24 Hours, where the car becomes very sloppy due to worn bushings during the race. Torlon 4435 was proven at the very rough track at Sebring with excellent results. Richard Taylor of the Risi Team said "The Torlon 4435 bushings have shown no wear throughout the season. It looks like the only time we will be replacing suspension bushings in the future is after crashes and during major overhauls.
I remembered I had come across this material called Torlon and was wondering if anyone else had ever heard of it.
The supplier is Drake Plastic http://www.drakeplastics.com/index.php
and here is what they give as features of Torlon:
Torlon is the strongest, stiffest melt processable plastic available.
Torlon is stronger at 450ºF than many plastics are at room temperature.
Torlon offers extraordinary thermal and electrical insulation in 4203 and 5030 Grades
Torlon offers metal mimicking thermal expansion, which eliminates fit and clearance problems.
Torlon has a low coefficient of friction and exceptional wear resistance.
Torlon is often the right choice for applications where high loads, temperature extremes and wear resistance are required.
It is used by Ferrari Risi Competizione in ALMS at Sebring. Here is a press release about it:
http://www.solvayadvancedpolymers.co...rari091003.pdf
“Since TORLON 4435 was used, the bushings have exhibited ‘zero wear’ in four
races, including Sebring, Daytona and LeMans,” said Richard Taylor of the Risi Team.
http://www.drakeplastics.com/new_products.php
11. FERRARI 430GT SUSPENSION BUSHINGS
The Ferrari race team Risi Competizione has upgraded to Torlon 4435 suspension bushings supplied by Drake Plastics. Each car has 8 upper and 8 lower bushings. The factory bushing material wears out and has to be changed between every race. The Risi Team engineers were seeking a solution before running the Daytona 24 Hours, where the car becomes very sloppy due to worn bushings during the race. Torlon 4435 was proven at the very rough track at Sebring with excellent results. Richard Taylor of the Risi Team said "The Torlon 4435 bushings have shown no wear throughout the season. It looks like the only time we will be replacing suspension bushings in the future is after crashes and during major overhauls.
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Here is a design guide for working with Torlon:
http://www.eplas.com.au/assets/125/f...sign_guide.pdf
http://www.eplas.com.au/assets/125/f...sign_guide.pdf
Torlon eh? Std length of 4 foot...spendy in diameters around an inch.
What about Rulon? http://www.mcmaster.com/#6362k224/=5y01j6
Scott, who can't make up his mind...if I don't need the part, then I don't need a bushing...Hmmmm...
What about Rulon? http://www.mcmaster.com/#6362k224/=5y01j6
Scott, who can't make up his mind...if I don't need the part, then I don't need a bushing...Hmmmm...
http://designwithtorlon.com/
Descartes always has good stuff I found this cool website with videos on torlon thanks.
Descartes always has good stuff I found this cool website with videos on torlon thanks.
That is really expensive! I have no doubt it is better than delrin in almost every aspect. Let me know if you get some. Or if you have some leftover, I don't mind getting a very small sample for test.
Torlon eh? Std length of 4 foot...spendy in diameters around an inch.
What about Rulon? http://www.mcmaster.com/#6362k224/=5y01j6
Scott, who can't make up his mind...if I don't need the part, then I don't need a bushing...Hmmmm...
What about Rulon? http://www.mcmaster.com/#6362k224/=5y01j6
Scott, who can't make up his mind...if I don't need the part, then I don't need a bushing...Hmmmm...
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Quadrant has a nice site. Here is some fab info on plastics:
http://www.quadrantepp.com/assets/gl...ning_Guide.pdf
http://www.quadrantepp.com/assets/gl...ning_Guide.pdf
that doesnt seem very expensive at all for a 4 foot piece. I have some derlin bushings that i had custom made and im always worried about wear, although they have held up well. this stuff looks great
Quadrant has a nice site. Here is some fab info on plastics:
http://www.quadrantepp.com/assets/gl...ning_Guide.pdf
http://www.quadrantepp.com/assets/gl...ning_Guide.pdf
I just wondered why Torlon 7130 wasn't wear tested considering it should have great potential. The reason seems to be that 4435 and a couple of other Torlon types have been specifically formulated for bearings where apparently 7130 is not.
Coefficient of friction: .10 (kinetic) lubricated
Check out page 31 of the design guide for proper shaft clearances: http://www.drakeplastics.com/torlon_design_guide.pdf
Remeber, those prices are per linear foot: e.g. the Torlon 4435 is $100 per foot for 1-inch diameter.
The bad *** racing specific Aurora PNB-9T that I use in my DC2/EG UCA parts are $34 or so each. The PWB-10T that I use in my front and rear DC2/EG LCAs parts are about $35 each. But those are the really nice ones. Their COM series stuff is much cheaper. I installed a set of COM-9T bearings in the UCAs in my race car to see how they last. Those are only about $14 each. Unfortunately, I can't afford to race my car currently. Hehe.
For any technical inquiries, you can talk with Steve at Drake Plastics like I did. They can also machine to your specs. any bushings. I can't guarantee it will be cheap, but you will get an excellent product if you do your research and truly understand your application.
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