Ok here is my decision making. Note i dont want to hear any crap about D vs B. I already know what each is capable of. The situation is as follows...

Currently have a d16z6 with stage 2 clutch,fidanza flywheel,sri with bpi stack,2.25" catback,chipped ecu. The engine currently on it has who knows amount of miles. I currently seeked a replacement engine and my costs are as follows. Plus including other things i need and my plans if i stay D.

Rebuilt D16z6-$600 with install(have no time to do it myself)
Tranny needs isb so i will be replacing whole tranny-$250 or so
ZEX/COMP cam-$350 or so installed
y8 manifold with hondata gasket-$150 or so give or take.

Total=1,350 give or take.

Second option is to get my self a LS swap installed and all for about 1200 or so( i say or so cuz i will most likely buy a stage 2 clutch and fidanza flywheel so they can install it all together at once). I know this engine has more power and way more torque than any D. So my concern is wether its worth it to swap in a LS. Will be getting bolt ons for it also. Maybe down the line get a SC or turbo. But most likely NA. Will i be happier with the LS?

Whats a good tranny combo for a LS? Etc.... i need some ideas. And whats my best bang for the buck.

Thanx In Advance

 

Honestly, I think you'd be much happier with an LS engine, and if you are going to be staying NA then an Si tranny would make it a very enjoyable ride around town and everything. But if you are rebuilding the z6 completely then it will be more reliable in the end, unless you have decided if you are going to do the LS to put new bearings and rings and such in. Really a matter of personal opinions, but I would say go with the LS and you'd be much happier.

 

Well ill rebuild the LS later if i have to. I dont mind. By then i should have my Ep3..LoL. But i just hate the lack of torque the D has. Its ****. And even with all ive done so far it still sux. I even felt my old JDM D15B vtec to be better fr some reason. Maybe its because i had a ekwith a gsr that got stolen couple of months ago, that makes me unhappy....

I just wanted to see what you guys tought about the LS.

 

how about this by the ls swap and take that **** to my pad and we do it in a day you live in south gate and i live in lynwood that **** will be quick but got to get there early as **** to my pad

 

^^ really? I didnt even ask how much for the engine itself without labor. There is this guy that was selling me a ls engine comlete for 4oo. But that dude lagged it and hasnt send me any replies yet about it. So im like screw it ill get it at G-Spot Automotive. Homeboy Frankie is my boy. And is hooking me up.

Whats your build? Didnt you have a b20v?

 

Sir i suggest the LS swap, you will be much happier and have plenty of room to expand.

Don't discount the D, but you will be unhappy with it compared to the LS swap.

 

I'd also go with the LS

 

Ls it is then.

 

I stepped up from a D16Z6 to a D15B vtec, then from the D15B to the B18B1, couldn't have been happier, even with the LS trans, it has way more potential and is more fun to drive around town. I kept the LS stock for the most part, installed a GSR intake manifold and it added quite a bit of power from a simple bolt-on. Never had it dynoed, but what I could find on the GSR manifold swap, was it added 12-15 WHP and it was cheap and easy to do. Just had to redrill a couple of mounting holes to match the LS head.

 

What's the point of a gsr manifold if u can't control secondary butterflies? Please explain. And. yeah i had a Jdm d15b before and to me its the best d engine. But I'm tired of d's time for something new.

On a side note I'm in California. What's needed besides emissions sensors to get it bard ? Cuz i will be doing that.

 

Just remove the butterflies and the vacuum canister and lines attached. The dual runner manifold produced great gains, I talked with a guy who has been building Honda engines for 20 yrs and he told me that this swap has been good for an average of 12-15 WHP on an LS engine. I also talked with a guy that figured out how to wire up and control secondaries, but it's not needed. If you need to get it bard, then I wouldn't do the GSR manifold.
If I remember Cali law, grew up in cali, Engine and ecu need to be the model year of your car or newer, with all sensors, emissions equipment and matching ecu.

 

Here is something that I found doing my research on the Manifold :
"Actually, I'd like to bring this thread back from the dead to correct some misinformation.

I was searching Google for a friend of mine, to link him to a Honda-tech thread and this was the first one that poped up.

I used to be apart of the "all motor" forum on HT

The GSR manifold will fit a ls head with minor work, and will make a TON of whp..

Removing the butterflies, buying a GSR IVAC, will solve any problems u run into. The plugs are the same.

you will need to redrill 3 or 4 holes.
Plenty of people are gaining almost 12~15whp just from a bolt on.. honda was not stupid designing this manifold, if money is tight, this is a good bolt on."

 

But wouldn't it kill low end torque? Since that's what its for the gsr? The butterflies.

 

Not that I have noticed or heard about, but like I said, I have never had it dynoed.
I can only base it off the one car that I ran against, once before GSR manifold and once after. The difference was night and day.

 

12-15hp from just an intake manifold? sounds like a pipe dream to me. maybe if you also threw in some cams while you were at it then i'd believe a gain like that. friend of mine had slowmo here in central ohio tune his b18b1 with cams and he barely made that hp improvement. it's pointless to throw out numbers unless you have dyno proof to back it up.

op: i would go with the ls if i were you. you'll be a lot happier. going from a sohc vtec engine to the ls with an ls trans was a huge difference. the d16 had no ***** for tooling around town in the lower rpm where as the ls has loads more tq. and of course it has more hp in the higher rpm range as well. it's a win win situation lol.

 

That's why I made a point of saying I had never had it dynoed, but with the extensive research I did on the subject, I was quoting mulitple builders on those numbers. And I know there are quite a few N/A builders on H-T that are running the GSR manifold on their B18a/b. If I was able to find a Dyno within a couple hrs of me, I wouldn't hesitate to go make a couple runs with the different manifolds.
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And factually brought my B18B powered EG6 from 2 car lengths back with stock manifold to 1/2 car length back with GSR manifold.
But it's getting off topic, since you cant get it bard with GSR manifold anyways.

 

biggest bang for your buck?...i think youve answered your own question in your first post.

LS baby!

 

Some member from here said I can't bar the ls? And that even if i did get it bard I can still get ref'd . Wtf*

 

bitch i said you can bar the ls but not a lsv and yea you still will get fuked with lol ill start geting people to pm you about there stories

 

Dont take it to the ***......LMAO. I know it was you but i wasnt gonna flame on you here like that. And maybe so but im trying to figure all the bull out first before i get the LS. If you know what i mean. You still didnt answer me about our kick back on monday. Also i know a LSv isnt able to be bard. But you can get the permit on it first(ls) and hopefully maybe trick the cop with the permit and he wont know the diffirence. IF you do get caught with the lsv, slap the ls head back on and get it signed. Boom....easy as pie...i guess..

 

yea i said im down. just text me in the morening. and yea and i said not every cop will **** with you but the ones that live in your city of south gate are the major one's out of all the times i get pulled over and im dead to truth with you on this it is everyday south gate pd is the only one that have poped my hood. so watch out no even chp just gave me a speeding ticket it but yea. and with the lsv thing that what i have done but i got tierd of it to the point now i just pay the ticket off. to all other people i know my spelling and grammer is shity but try haveing big *** hands and typing on a little tiny net book lol

 

lol, atleast you admit it

You guys need to get to work so moritificationrock can rip it around

 

We will soon.....lol. but I'm not worried much about south gate pd. I dont go there. im more worried about lapd. And getting it bard.

 

well you qhont have to really worry about lapd becase you know what is stands for right.
"LOST AND PERTY DUMB" LAPD lmfao

 

^^LMAO

I hope they are.....