okay well im going to swap my stock f22a1 for either a h23 vtec blue top or a k20/k24 can anyone tell me the pros and cons for each one i was leaning more towords the h23 blue top becuase with very little work it can be a 2.5l no problem so yea any help would umm help thanks

 

What is your budget and what are your plans for the motor?

When you talk about taking an H23 and making it a 2.5L. What do you consider very little work? A stroker kit and sleeves is about as much work as one can do to a block. $$$$

 

i kinnda forget what i had todo but my buddy was saying is that a h23 dohc bluetop vtec is a 2.5l idk jus going off what he said but my budget is about 6,000 but atm im saving up for the swap and ima get tranny and a ecu with
6gs im gonna have to play with but i was jus asking which is better a k20/k24(ivtec) frank or a k24(ivtec) or a h23 vtec bt




also the purpose of the vechile is a fast dailydriver its also gonna be boosted and all that good **** in good time

 

What are your HP goals for that budget?

 

tbh id be happy with 290-310 whp but the maiinn reason is my f22a1 is kinnda how do u say...umm...****?but my main goal isnt just flat out speed and raw power i like when a car can do well at the strip and the track and still beable to be driven daily and if this matters im putting a full skunk2 supesion on it lowerin it 1 inch and though some work equip 03s (15") wrapped in kuhmos..so yea i mean money really isnt a problem im jus asking which all around motor is better a k24 or a h23 vtec bluetop

 

ok so save your money & rebuild the F22 for boost. You don't need DOHC VTEC or iVTEC for that. Plus the H23 is only 2.3L, not sure where your buddy is getting his info. Do some research into boosted F series engines. There are more than a couple making 300+ whp. without spending $600+ for a uesd block to start.

 

^x2. You could even get a f22 for a couple hundred, have it built, and get every part you need for boost so you can do it all in a weekend. All for less than $6,000.

 

good point what u recommand the first things i should do with my f22a1 then?

 

Tear it down and have it checked out. ie, have it cleaned up and inspected. Then check/replace the oil pump, water pump, tensioner and any other seals. Remove the balance shafts if you want. There is a cheap DIY on how to do a balance shaft delete on here somewhere.

Then go from the top down. turbo cam, springs if required???? Low compression pistons & rods. Then start putting together a turbo kit......That is something that someone else will have to fill you in on.....I'm not a boost guru. If I was to build one that is what I would do. Done right you will have a freshly built block for what you were goign to spend on a used engine and some parts.

 

I would say to go ahead and do valves, springs, and retainers. Might as well, and it won't throw you over budget. Turbo parts needed are Turbo, blow-off valve, wastegate, intercooler and piping, turbo manifold, oil lines, bigger injectors(550cc or higher), upgraded fuel pump, new exhaust system(at least 2.5", preferably 3"), boost gauge, oil pressure gauge, fuel pressure gauge(optional, but recommended), and get your ecu dyno tuned.

You can also get a turbo timer. It can help to extend the life of your turbo.

You will also need a clutch/pressure plate combo to handle the power. If you want to get a lightened flywheel, get a chromoly one that is no less than 11 lbs.

And DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT buy a ebay turbo kit. The seals on the turbo start to leak around 10 lbs. You can however save a bit by buying the intercooler, BOV, and wastegate from there.

 

www.f22parts.com will be your friend. the ya a crap ton of parts for you motor all in one place.

 

Why don't you just do an LS1 swap

 

The swap threads are always humorous.

just friggin boost it. or actually spend close to 10k on everything for a k, just to say hey, i dont have that much more power than i started with but i am so cool cause i have a k.

boost it. over twice the horsepower with a little over a grand. yeah. im sold.

 

drop an H22or F20B and stay NA...turbo is cheating and cheaters never win

 

Get yourself an EX trim ECU
H23 IM and TB
F22A6 Cam

As stated above tear the engine down and check internals and then of course rebuild for boost!!!

Boosted F! FTW!!!
Just my 2 cents

 

f23!

 

im sorry im mostly jus a honda guy and roam into any thing other then hondas but i dont think i know what a ls1 even is

 

lol ..... an LS1 is a 346 in³ (5.7L) GM performance V8.

 

F23 FTW! lol




Air cooled crank hole!

 

What was the state of that engine and what were the conditions that it was enduring to cause this catastrophic failure?

 

68k miles when it blew up. Had a slight rod knock when i bought it. Over the next 3 years, it progressively got worse until i said **** it, stopped changing the oil, and beat the living **** out of it for 2 months. Then, kaboom!

This is one of the strongest built SOHC engines.

BTW, It still ran with that huge *** hole in the block believe it or not. It didn't run good, but it ran.

I caused the failure, but i can say that it was one strong engine.

 

Ok now I see - the picture painted a totally different story to me. I thought you were saying that the F23 were junk.... Misinterpretation!