There are so many shells that are rebuilt into full cars. What is the cutoff for being a real ITR?

1) Shell with VIN starting JH4DC231
2) B18C5
3) 5x114.3 lug pattern
4) ITR wing
5) Interior
6) Lack of side moldings

What if an enterprising individual took a Gen 3 shell shaved the side moldings and welded in the ITR roof, wheel wells, rear frame rails, rear cross member, and rear hatch panel and then added all of the bolt ons?

Discuss.

 

Technically no its stilll not a type r. You might have a clone "poser".

 

Shell with a VIN of JH4DC231, period.

Go ask a muscle car collector what makes a Camaro SS396 a genuine SS396 car. It's not the original motor, it's the VIN.

Copies will always be copies, regardless of what is done to them.

 

This excludes JDM ITRs.

 

So a JH4DC231 shell with a D16 would be allowed to ask which header is best for their car?

Yet, a JH4DC239 with a B18C5 can't ask which header is best for their car?

Things that make you go "wtf happened here".

 

x2

 

Yep, because I see so many DC2R shells with D16's in them asking about a header. Maybe we should just FAQ that question as to avoid any further posts about that. But hey, if the motor was a stop-gap measure until an original motor could be found, then why not? It's like the guy who put the D15B7 in his chassis just so it would run until he could find the motor he wanted.

And we answer K20 questions in ITR shells, don't we?

The OP wanted to know what makes an ITR an ITR. His question had nothing to do with random ITR parts questions on a nonDC2R chassis, so your comparison is a tad off-base. Even though, yes--as long as the chassis is an ITR chassis, I see nothing wrong with the question. There is no "WTF happened here" moment.

 

The point is understood, though. The VIN has to be that of an original ITR, whatever continent the car was originally sold on.

 

As you like to say:

"That's not the point and you know it."

It just proves how retarded it is that a car has to have an ITR vin to be discussed in here.

Or maybe you are just trying to keep "the other site" active?

Back in the "good old days" here you could post about whatever, granted with "OT: " in front of it.

So what's the best treatment for rust.. oops.. my GS-R has it, guess I should go elsewhere since ITRs will never rust

 

Like I mentioned before: What's "retarded" is the fact that this website has like 50 forums (including a hybrid forum), yet someone with any random Honda chassis with an ITR part feels the need to post his question here, like we're some kind of freaking experts on ITR parts fitment on other cars.

Again, draw the line. If not, then just have one big forum for all double wishbone chassis.

And gimme a break on the GSR with ITR motor question. A B18C is a B18C is a B18C when it comes to header clearance and what header works on the motor. That question is perfectly fine in the normal Integra forum.

Back in the "good old days" folks were much better with their questions. There wasn't nearly as many random ITR part fitments questions as there is now.

 

Even though the premise of this thread was created out of douchebaggery, it really is a shame it was even created at all.



Like I previously stated.

 

Keep it on topic. When is a rebuild still an ITR? Like mentioned before, a VIN of JH4DC231... and a D-series is missing much of the essence of an ITR. The B18C5 certainly has unique characteristics. So many of these cars have been butchered.

 

Do not attempt to divine my intentions when you are not capable. It is a serious query.

 

Todd, it's EASY to draw the line.

Step 1: Does this thread have any relevant/useful information for ITR owners? If yes, Allow, if no, move to appropriate forum.

Is that really that hard to do?

As for the recent thread in question, it was 100% relevant to ITR owners. The header question was fine in EITHER forum, and some headers (like the old DC Sports) "worked" on GS-R's but lost power on an ITR motor, so some could still argue that point

I completely agree on stuff such as: "I just swapped an ITR engine and transmission into my CRX, how do I wire it up?" That provides no relevant information for ITR owners, and thus, should be moved. Pretty simple stuff without the need to exclude anyone not posted about a DC2R/DC5R.. or are DC5R guys even allowed?

 

Your topic was answered then. Feel free and lock the thread this has no searchable value.

 

...not that the search works anyways...

 

ORLY?

 

YARLY. Now dance, marionette.

 

This marionette is starting to think the puppet master is full of s**t.

 

When the chasis comes from Honda stamped w/ the correct vin#....

Because if it did not carry that specific vin # from the factory, then it would have never come with any of the other ITR **** on it anyways....

/thread

 

A better thread topic would have been "What topics should be allowed in this forum?"

Obviously only something originally created as an ITR is an ITR.

 

I meant it for what it is. What is allowed is an entirely different topic for another day.

This rebuild is going to have a D-series.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/showthread.php?p=41090089

Surely a D-series does not meet the minimum requirements for the essence of the car. It's reanimated without a soul.

 

If your car came from the factory as an Integra Type R originally whether it be USDM/JDM/CDM/EDM etc... also including Integra Type Rx.

Like Todd stated, no matter how many parts you put on and how extensive it is, if it didn't come manufactured like that it can never be real.

If a guy had a sex change operation and looked alot like a girl but you KNEW it was originally a man, would you hit it? Same basic principle.

/story.

 

IMO, ITR = a shell that left the factory as an ITR. Whatever mods either bolt-on or weld/cut only change the ITR for better or for worse.

For people asking for help on ITR motors in non-ITRs...there should be a burden of proof on them showing legitimate purchase before they get help from us. Let's see VIN tags/serial #s or pics/scans of receipts.

Oh well..

 

It seems like the consensus say's "ITR parts on non ITR's (even other Integras) don't belong in the ITR forum". eh puppet master?