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Old Jan 11, 2010 | 06:53 PM
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sup guys i need help with my kony/Gc setup i got the GC (used) from a guy and the kony (BNIB) from another lol

but the GC r this:
F 107694 - 0600.250.0500
R 86724 - GC180.64.44

i dont know the spring rates of those GC, and the koni r the sports, at first i used the GC with my sotck shock rides bouncy them i put the koni with the GC but now i feel more bouncy the car i dont know why but some body can help me or tell me what i need or what is wrong ??

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Old Jan 11, 2010 | 11:33 PM
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500lbs in the front and 250lbs rear. Maybe you should run the rear a little stiffer? Like 350-400 lbs. BTW is your car slammed?
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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 08:45 AM
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I think the bounciness you describe twice is different between those cases.

When mounting stiff springs with stock shocks then these shocks have no damping potential enough to damp the stiff springs' movement well, so the bounce you experience is 'bad' bounce as in the body of the car bounces on the suspension, which is bad cause this is a side effect of underdamped wheel movement, which degrades road contact, and your body movement in relation to the suspension changes wheel geometry (like toe and camber) constantly.

In the other case, when mounting stiff shocks/springs, wheel/road contact will be much better, the body of the car will move much less relative to the suspension keeping geometry intact. However, since suspension is stiffer it will respond (move in relation to the body) much less to road unevenness so the car as a whole will move more with road unevenness which leads to the other kind of 'bouce' experience.
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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by STOCK_SOHC_DX
500lbs in the front and 250lbs rear. Maybe you should run the rear a little stiffer? Like 350-400 lbs. BTW is your car slammed?
well i think is slammed lol



Right now is a bit lower than that

Originally Posted by kristo
I think the bounciness you describe twice is different between those cases.

When mounting stiff springs with stock shocks then these shocks have no damping potential enough to damp the stiff springs' movement well, so the bounce you experience is 'bad' bounce as in the body of the car bounces on the suspension, which is bad cause this is a side effect of underdamped wheel movement, which degrades road contact, and your body movement in relation to the suspension changes wheel geometry (like toe and camber) constantly.

In the other case, when mounting stiff shocks/springs, wheel/road contact will be much better, the body of the car will move much less relative to the suspension keeping geometry intact. However, since suspension is stiffer it will respond (move in relation to the body) much less to road unevenness so the car as a whole will move more with road unevenness which leads to the other kind of 'bouce' experience.
in brief lol
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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 11:48 AM
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Then you probably need to atleast increase the dampening in the front. If you have the front loose all the way with those spring rates then I could see that you may be 'bouncy'. Turn the **** all the way counter clockwise then clockwise about 4-6 bumps. (bumps are the out-dents on the Koni adjustment ****.)

I have a set of OTS springs (375f/300r) if you need them. Throw me an offer.
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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 12:14 PM
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Then you probably need to atleast increase the dampening in the front. If you have the front loose all the way with those spring rates then I could see that you may be 'bouncy'. Turn the **** all the way counter clockwise then clockwise about 4-6 bumps. (bumps are the out-dents on the Koni adjustment ****.)

I have a set of OTS springs (375f/300r) if you need them. Throw me an offer.
OTS Springs ?? what r those ? sorry i dont know lol
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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 12:57 PM
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'Off The Shelf' meaning standard, generic, universal
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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 06:15 PM
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what brand ?? how drop those ??
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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by JrEk9
what brand ?? how drop those ??
i'm pretty sure he means GC's..
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by JrEk9
OTS Springs ?? what r those ? sorry i dont know lol
Sorry. They are the standard set that GC sends out with their kits for our civics. They are Eibach springs.
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by JrEk9
at first i used the GC with my sotck shock rides bouncy them i put the koni with the GC but now i feel more bouncy the car i dont know why but some body can help me or tell me what i need or what is wrong ??
Can you tell/show us how you have the kit mounted on the konis? The GC kit uses different pieces between stock and koni shocks. I'm interested to see how the parts are installed.
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 10:14 AM
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Good question lol
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by myprotege
Can you tell/show us how you have the kit mounted on the konis? The GC kit uses different pieces between stock and koni shocks. I'm interested to see how the parts are installed.
yeah those r diferents, the diameter for the koni specs is lower than the stocks, but i use those thing that come with the konis...

like this....

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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by JrEk9
yeah those r diferents, the diameter for the koni specs is lower than the stocks, but i use those thing that come with the konis...

like this....

That is an unsafe mounting for threaded sleeves on Koni Sport (Yellow) shocks.

The threaded sleeve needs to be installed without the spring perch in place, and needs to capture the circlip in place.
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TunerN00b
That is an unsafe mounting for threaded sleeves on Koni Sport (Yellow) shocks.

The threaded sleeve needs to be installed without the spring perch in place, and needs to capture the circlip in place.
thx for ur comment, how unsafe ???
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by JrEk9
thx for ur comment, how unsafe ???
No first hand experience (mine are installed correctly), but have read that the perch and/or circlip will eventually fail when run like that.

So, how unsafe is it to suddenly have no spring on one corner of the car while driving? At freeway speeds, probably rather disastrous...
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TunerN00b
No first hand experience (mine are installed correctly), but have read that the perch and/or circlip will eventually fail when run like that.

So, how unsafe is it to suddenly have no spring on one corner of the car while driving? At freeway speeds, probably rather disastrous...
well i hope change the GC before any disastre
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 06:03 PM
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GC coilovers for Koni Yellows are specific for these shocks: the sleeve fits tight around the shock and the bottom is made to capture the Koni circlip.
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 07:07 PM
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Couldn't he just run the old adapter GC used to include for Konis?
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 07:14 PM
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Something like this,





Those were offered by http://www.marcuccimotorsports.com/
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by kristo
GC coilovers for Koni Yellows are specific for these shocks: the sleeve fits tight around the shock and the bottom is made to capture the Koni circlip.
yeah i know i need get those GC koni specs soon

Originally Posted by mkazm83
Something like this,



Those were offered by http://www.marcuccimotorsports.com/
mmmm thx for ur help ill try to get those if i cant get the GC koni specs
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by mkazm83
Couldn't he just run the old adapter GC used to include for Konis?
From the looks of the sleeves the OP is running, he may be able to use our adaptors on his current pieces, but I cannot be sure from these pictures. Either way we have both here. JrEK9, give me a call and we can get this sorted out.
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GroundControlTrevor
From the looks of the sleeves the OP is running, he may be able to use our adaptors on his current pieces, but I cannot be sure from these pictures. Either way we have both here. JrEK9, give me a call and we can get this sorted out.
ok, pme'd
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 07:16 PM
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GC Customer service
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