I need to buy some transmission fluid but i don't know which one would be the best. What would you guys recommend for me to use for my 94 Integra Ls with a jdm B18c, B16 tranny and an act 6 puck clutch? I was looking towards getting AMS transmission oil. But I've heard that GM Synchomesh is good too. What would you guys recommend?

 

10w30 motor oil, like your manual suggests

 

i always use oem trans oil from honda

 

Honda Specs 10w30 motor oil for his tranny, the MTF for newer transmissions is too thin for the older units.

 

i have a 1994 d15 and it uses MTF from honda

 

incorrect, it uses 10w30 or 10w40, not Honda MTF.

Read your owners manual.

 

lol incorrect to you, i went to honda and told them what i have. this is what my d15 calls for.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/tech-misc-15/transmission-fluid-gear-oil-2276817/

 

https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...smission+fluid

post #7 specifically

 

the first edition helm does spec 10w-30 motor oil but I'm under the impression that was later changed to honda mtf mainly due to notchy shifting in cold weather. Ive used both and there is a discernable difference to me anyway in the winter on cold starts before the car gets up to temp. Mistabone is a knowledgable guy for sure, does anyone have the word from honda(maybe a tsb).

 

mista seems knowledgeable

this is honda's spec. it may have said oil in haynes in the past, i dont know

 

Evidently you are new... There are a few people in this section that have more experien ce than ANYONE you know... Bone for one.

 

lol, wtf does this have to do with the fact of the matter. just cuz im new to honda tech doesnt mean ****. i am not denying his knowledge at all, but im not incorrect about what OEM calls for. whether it can also accept 10w30 or not isnt my concern.

MTF is what honda TO THIS DAY puts in their d series. go tell them they are wrong

 

Why bother.... it would destroy my tranny due to its inferiority and innability to absorbe shock to the degree my application requires. Which at the end of the day is all I could give a crap about. Id venture to say I have a better idea what im talking about than you, and judging by your tone thus far in this thread, i can also tell that youre not worth trying to educate on a better option that waht factory spec is.

Ive done plenty of experimentation and had plenty of failures running a multitude of lubricants trying to find out what works best.... Bone, **** he knows ALOT more than I do.... Probably more than ANYONE here about D series crap.

As mentioned earlier in this thread... Its (Newer Honda MTF) really really thin and not the best option for even an OEM tranny... BUt you missed that or ignored it. Neither way do I care.



Have a nice day

 

so the new stuff that came out around 18 months ago is thinner eh, so you think the original honda mtf was better?

 

no tone was used. i just implied that your assumption that i newb based on such a remark.

based on my experience, the MTF is just fine but i can be wrong.

his original arguement was "look at the manual". ok, i looked, it calls for MTF. now what. I searched and others say MTF.

dont cry, have a conversation like an adult. explain to me, the newb, why.. im not here for an arguement, rather here to learn

 

The info has been posted already. Read it. Again.

 

The newer fluid is decent for fuel mileage but it's pretty shitty when it comes to absorbing shock in moderate power / race scenarios. All depends what you want really.

And so you know, there are plenty of techs at Honda dealerships that don't have a clue about some things. A B16 trans I rebuilt for a friend from NY this year was done by a 'tech' from Honda prior to me opening it up... I won't say how bad it was, but I question work or knowledge from dealerships anymore.

 

thats a good point, my d15 is a strict dd and it makes **** for power so i guess its fine for me.

 

What does the owners manual for your car state?

What does the service manual for you car state?

First generation MTF did work well, the **** the sell now is pisswater thin, WILL cause shifting issues. It was listed in 96+ service manuals.

 

i got ya, for my 94, yes it calls for MTF but as you said, thats the older stuff, next flush will have what you mentioned above

 

Wow, so we go from somebody asking a question, and now somebody's experimentation with their project car is fact and superior to the engineers and designers of Honda who designed and built the car we're arguing about!!!!! Sweet!!!! According to the local Honda dealer, Honda Genuine MTF is recommended, however Haynes, Chilton, and several others have said that 10/30 or 10/40 can be used WHEN Honda Genuine MTF CANNOT be found. Now of course, Honda would obviously have a vested interest in selling their product, as I'm sure somebody will be intelligent enough to point out, but generally they are 100% correct at what fluid works best as they provided these vehicles with a warranty. If anyone on here would recommend a different fluid, I would verify that person would provide a warranty in case their recommendation based on experimentation (which I'm sure they experimented more than Honda, and had more experience than ANYONE at Honda, right?) failed. Good luck!!!!

 

god bless your heart

 

Honda offers a warranty on a 1994 model? MTF has been changed since the recommended fluid with the older models anyway. And the change was partially implemented for growing fuel mileage concerns. Just look at the engine oil newer cars run even...

Honda also recommends the fluid based on how they want the car to be driven. Why do you think manufactures log if a full throttle shift, etc. has been done or not. Why do you think rev limits are implemented while the car is sitting still? So, no, what is in the manual is not what works best in several other scenarios.

 

"Honda Bull;41167532]Honda offers a warranty on a 1994 model? MTF has been changed since the recommended fluid with the older models anyway. And the change was partially implemented for growing fuel mileage concerns. Just look at the engine oil newer cars run even...

Honda also recommends the fluid based on how they want the car to be driven. Why do you think manufactures log if a full throttle shift, etc. has been done or not. Why do you think rev limits are implemented while the car is sitting still? So, no, what is in the manual is not what works best in several other scenarios."

Of course they did. I thought everyone on here would know that new cars come with a warranty, but apparently not. Well, here's some news for those who weren't otherwise aware: new cars come with a warranty!!!!! I know, hard to believe, but it's true!!!! Now of course 15 years later, the warranty isn't in effect....but I'm sure you knew that. Right? What I said, since you missed it, is that Honda engineered and designed these cars for use with specific fluid, which they backed up their engineering with a warranty on the new vehicle. How do you know Honda Genuine MTF has changed? Is there a TSB from Honda you can provide to back that up?? Love to see it, it would help this discussion. So, if someone wants to use b.s logic about how thin or non-protective or even "inferior" the fluid is, I'd like to know where they got concrete data to support that from. And since Honda apparently didn't want the cars to be driven fast, I'm sure VTEC was an accidental engineering consequence. Right? Ok, once more, if you want to recommend transmission fluid, I would start with FACTORY recommended fluid, instead of personal opinion or unsubstantiated facts.

 

"Recommended Materials" TSB 99-030, dated February 10, 2007. It shows the new part number of 08798-9031(A). Old part number was 08798-9016. The new stuff calls to be used specifically for 2007+ Acura's but in general for all 98+ Honda/Acura manual transmissions. Now, why would it be called to be used in 98+ trans and not a '97 or '96 Civic trans? Aren't they one in the same? Since you're so smart, I'll ask you this time to fetch that info for me since I'm the one doing all of the verification here.

Because without VTEC, a technology developed for Formula 1 in the late-1980's, the typical Honda 1.6L engine would make 120 hp. Now, when trying to compete on the world stage with other four cylinders, doesn't it sound better to have a 160 hp, 100 hp/L 4-cylinder engine vs. the 120 hp for marketing purposes? VTEC was not accidental in any way. It was developed for fuel economy and then implemented to sell vehicles. That doesn't mean any car manufacturer wants you to beat the **** out of the product. They hope you granny the **** for their own sake.

Any other questions?

At the end of the day, most oil related failures, whether it's with the transmission or engine, result from the owner not having oil in the damn thing to begin with; the variations in any modern day oil don't necessarily matter as much as having oil in it period.