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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 08:15 PM
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which is better ls-v or gsr?
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 08:23 PM
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As far as the power the LSV if done right will be better. I would personally go GSR, it's much more reliable.
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 08:27 PM
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definetly gonna fall to a matter of opinion.there both great setups and of course they both have there pros and cons.
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 08:28 PM
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LSV > GSR. LSV makes more power, and costs less.
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 08:30 PM
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Will NOT cost less if its done right. For it to last it'll have to be done right.
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 08:30 PM
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i would go lsv FTW if im building my own so i know it would be relieable!
if not then i would go GSR!
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 08:34 PM
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I have a BUILT LSV in my garage and have $1400 just in the head and $1200 in the bottom end.
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimster480
LSV > GSR. LSV makes more power, and costs less.
I agree.

"Better" is a relative term. Maybe you should be more specific so we can help you better.
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 08:37 PM
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I have a BUILT LSV in my garage and have $1400 just in the head and $1200 in the bottom end.
thats still less than a GSR swap, and thats BUILT. You can do it right and not build the whole motor. It is possible to run LSV on a stock block and head... You need a LSV Kit though, and the other obvious parts.
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 08:39 PM
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lsv is a better idea i think.... 2mm more stroke than a gsr.. more comp.. buuuut the fact that ls blocks dont have oil squirters, that restricts revvs... so dont always drive like a tard. if you do it... balance the crank to like 9000rpm to take full advantage of the vtec. shot peen rods... or go hbeams (ftw) ditch the ls pistons if you wanna build for power.

or. just do a plain ol... reliable... gsr swap. great motor.

im just a fan of hybrids.
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 08:40 PM
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thats still less than a GSR swap, and thats BUILT. You can do it right and not build the whole motor. It is possible to run LSV on a stock block and head... You need a LSV Kit though, and the other obvious parts.
Not if you want it to last. Take a bottom end designed to rev no more than 7200 rpms and throw rev it to 8700 that a v-tec head is capable of and see how long the bearings hold up.
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 08:42 PM
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Default Re: which is better ls-v or gsr?

I'm not saying it can't be done, just that it would be stupid to do so because it WILL blow up unless you either build it or drive it like its a stock LS.
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 08:44 PM
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Default Re: which is better ls-v or gsr?

I have roughly a $2600 motor and no trans. I can get a whole GSR swap for under 2 grand.
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 08:46 PM
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I have roughly a $2600 motor and no trans. I can get a whole GSR swap for under 2 grand.
i wanna know where your getting this gsr swap!!!!

lsv can get expensive. do it right. balance that ****.
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 08:50 PM
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Passed one up last month for 1800 because the LSV killed me which is also the reason I don't have a trans lol.
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 08:51 PM
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well you had one f*** of a deal handed to you.
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 08:56 PM
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If I only had money. I do come across mad deals though except when I really need something like a trans. Im about to trade my built GSR head for a trans and cash, I can't take this D series garbage anymore.
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 10:52 PM
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So you're saying stock for stock, the lsv has more power?
Stock ls bottom, vtec conversion kit, and vtec head?
I dont think so.

Now dont say with less money the lsv make more power blah blah blah
Cuz in that case; a stock d16 with a snail makes more power with less money.

Back to the lsv vs gsr. I say gsr ftw.
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Old Dec 12, 2009 | 12:55 AM
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i like the GSR better
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Old Dec 12, 2009 | 02:05 AM
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If I only had money. I do come across mad deals though except when I really need something like a trans. Im about to trade my built GSR head for a trans and cash, I can't take this D series garbage anymore.
u should have built your D for boost.

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Not if you want it to last. Take a bottom end designed to rev no more than 7200 rpms and throw rev it to 8700 that a v-tec head is capable of and see how long the bearings hold up.
well thats where YOUR problem is. Just because the head can go that high, doesnt mean the block can. As long as you keep it around stock redline you will be fine. You should be able to turn it to around 7500 maybe 8000. But 8700, def not. So the truth is you can build a reliable LSVTEC without rebuilding the whole block and head, provided you observe the redline on the block.
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Old Dec 12, 2009 | 06:23 AM
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Default Re: which is better ls-v or gsr?

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well thats where YOUR problem is. Just because the head can go that high, doesnt mean the block can. As long as you keep it around stock redline you will be fine. You should be able to turn it to around 7500 maybe 8000. But 8700, def not. So the truth is you can build a reliable LSVTEC without rebuilding the whole block and head, provided you observe the redline on the block.
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I'm not saying it can't be done, just that it would be stupid to do so because it WILL blow up unless you either build it or drive it like its a stock LS.

You just repeated what I said. That is not MY problem. That is the problem with every inexperianced kid on this site that praises the LSV. The LSV is a build that requires alot of research and theres so many people on here that think they can just slap a V-Tec head on their 160 thousand mile LS motor and beat the hell out of it all day long.
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Old Dec 12, 2009 | 08:13 AM
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You just repeated what I said. That is not MY problem. That is the problem with every inexperianced kid on this site that praises the LSV. The LSV is a build that requires alot of research and theres so many people on here that think they can just slap a V-Tec head on their 160 thousand mile LS motor and beat the hell out of it all day long.

I have seen this quite a few times, then when it blows up because it wasn't done "proper" to begin with they go on a rant about how "unreliable" the LS-V are when actually its just there case because they put it together half *** to begin with.
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Old Dec 12, 2009 | 09:21 AM
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b18c1 block, B16a head FTMFW!

but yea.. i'd say LS/VTEC
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Old Dec 12, 2009 | 09:47 AM
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ls-v
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Old Dec 12, 2009 | 09:58 AM
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b18c1 block, B16a head FTMFW!

but yea.. i'd say LS/VTEC
why would you waste money on a b18c1 block? grab an ls block... longer stroke, 2mm actually... balance the crank to 9000rpm... turn 8500rpms... controll yourself due to the absense of oil squirters in the ls block. Forged pistons. H beam rods. dont bother touching the sleeves. block posting... dont ttouch block guards due to cooling issues.. Grab a b16a head. same casting as the itr head. best flowing. golden eagle lsvtec kit. kms race valvetrain (600 bucks) some nice intake mani. purdy little turbo manifold. slap a cute little turbo on it. cheap little p28 ecu. hondata s300. get a GREAT tune.... just for the stock sleeves sake... make 500 whp. put it in an eg due to how light they are... and ease of swap... your choice of tranny. tada... BEAST
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