TOP Mount or Ram Horn Manifold for 500+HP D16????

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Old Nov 25, 2009 | 04:26 AM
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What is the best for that horsepower???
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Old Nov 25, 2009 | 05:10 AM
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Wow. Both. You can make 500+hp on a log mani if your boost is high enough. It's really about where you make the power at that point. If you are going for higher rpm's, the ram is the most logical choice.
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Old Nov 25, 2009 | 07:09 AM
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Wow. Both. You can make 500+hp on a log mani if your boost is high enough. It's really about where you make the power at that point. If you are going for higher rpm's, the ram is the most logical choice.
not quite, the top mount will give you your power goal easier.. depending on your setup.. with a top mount your power will come on later and you'll most likely have to rev higher to get the output that a ramhorn wwould give at a lower rpm.. also depends what turbo your mounting on this car. smaller turbos die out quicker so they wont make the power you want at a high rpm.. so basically you could choose either just put together the right setup and you'll be fine..
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Old Nov 25, 2009 | 07:31 AM
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Either will work fine. I make about 500 on a log manifold. Your manifold wont make a huge power difference, just buy good quality. A top mount will give you more room for your down pipe with a large turbo
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Old Nov 25, 2009 | 07:37 AM
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Default Re: TOP Mount or Ram Horn Manifold for 500+HP D16????

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Your manifold wont make a huge power difference
A ram horn vs. a log manifold will make a ton of difference.

As to the original poster, see what your setup looks like. I'd suggest a ram horn, a top mount will take longer to spool up, you can make just as much power on a ram horn then a top mount.
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Old Nov 25, 2009 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by 90blackcrx
A ram horn vs. a log manifold will make a ton of difference.

As to the original poster, see what your setup looks like. I'd suggest a ram horn, a top mount will take longer to spool up, you can make just as much power on a ram horn then a top mount.
x2 on the ramhorn vs the log.. evans did a test with full race and made 50whp more with a ramhorn than a log at same boost level.. ramhorn with a nice size turbo and you'll be on your way to 500hp..
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Old Nov 25, 2009 | 09:20 AM
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Ramhorn. The reason people go with a top mount is for a big turbo and 4" downpipe that are hard to fit with a ramhorn
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Old Nov 25, 2009 | 09:56 AM
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Ramhorn. The reason people go with a top mount is for a big turbo and 4" downpipe that are hard to fit with a ramhorn
not even. topmount became a bandwagon because honda tech loves bandwagons. you can fit a very large turbo and a 4" DP on a ramhorn just as easily as a top mount. the only reason i would choose a topmount over a ramhorn is if i was running a divided housing turbo.
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Old Nov 25, 2009 | 01:24 PM
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x2 on the ramhorn vs the log.. evans did a test with full race and made 50whp more with a ramhorn than a log at same boost level.. ramhorn with a nice size turbo and you'll be on your way to 500hp..
Damn! 50 more? I'd like to see the dyno but I stand corrected
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Old Nov 25, 2009 | 02:08 PM
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Default Re: TOP Mount or Ram Horn Manifold for 500+HP D16????

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Damn! 50 more? I'd like to see the dyno but I stand corrected
Old as hell but here ya go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFjuBEUE-qg
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Old Nov 25, 2009 | 02:21 PM
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Default Re: TOP Mount or Ram Horn Manifold for 500+HP D16????

Originally Posted by MR_EJ8
Old as hell but here ya go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFjuBEUE-qg
thanks.. was just about to post that to show him..
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Old Nov 26, 2009 | 06:17 AM
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My setup:

D16Z6 block
Balanced and micropolish crankshaft
Eagle rods
CP pistons 9:0:1 75mm
Golden eagle block guard
ARP Head Studs
Cometic Head gasket
D16Z6 Head Port and polish
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Port and polish Y8 Intake manifold with 62mm TB
AEM fuel rail
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Precision Turbocharger SC6262 Billet 70a/r cold 63a/r hot
Walbro 255 fuel pump

OBX LSD
ACT Xtreme Clutch kit

Tial wastegate 38mm
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2.5 intercooler piping
31x12x3 intercooler

P28 ECU with Crome program

With this setup, which of the two manifold would work best for me to get to 500hp, Thanks
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Old Nov 26, 2009 | 06:45 AM
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Default Re: TOP Mount or Ram Horn Manifold for 500+HP D16????

you most likely are going to need a 44mm wastegate.. with the turbo you are using there is going to be boosted creep. and if you are trying for 500 hp. that wastegate isnt going to hold the pressure you are going to be at... go with a ramhorn manifold.
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Old Nov 26, 2009 | 09:58 AM
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Default Re: TOP Mount or Ram Horn Manifold for 500+HP D16????

Originally Posted by boostedEF91
thanks.. was just about to post that to show him..
Thanks for posting that. I have 430whp with my log, I wonder what my gains would be with a ramhorn...
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Old Nov 26, 2009 | 12:20 PM
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Default Re: TOP Mount or Ram Horn Manifold for 500+HP D16????

Originally Posted by E85B18
Thanks for posting that. I have 430whp with my log, I wonder what my gains would be with a ramhorn...
significant gains with a ramhorn... most likely between 30 and 60 hp easily.. will flow much smoother and nicer..
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Old Nov 26, 2009 | 07:54 PM
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significant gains with a ramhorn... most likely between 30 and 60 hp easily.. will flow much smoother and nicer..
Really?? 40whp?? Man this sucks. Im right in the middle of my new build and I'm not sure I can afford a new manifold before my tune. Ive got 2 weeks. My **** is fully sleeved and I want the best! I can afford a manifold but I'd need a DP and a dump tube...
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Old Nov 27, 2009 | 05:36 AM
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Default Re: TOP Mount or Ram Horn Manifold for 500+HP D16????

Originally Posted by E85B18
Really?? 40whp?? Man this sucks. Im right in the middle of my new build and I'm not sure I can afford a new manifold before my tune. Ive got 2 weeks. My **** is fully sleeved and I want the best! I can afford a manifold but I'd need a DP and a dump tube...
Hit up RCAutoworks they have some really nice stuff and there prices are the best I have seen
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Old Nov 27, 2009 | 09:45 AM
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Hit up RCAutoworks they have some really nice stuff and there prices are the best I have seen
Cool. I'll hit em up. If I get a new manifold later will I need to re-tune it?
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Old Nov 27, 2009 | 11:45 AM
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yes.. it will need a re-tune..
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better for you just to spend the money now and save money on 2 tunes.
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Old Nov 27, 2009 | 11:49 AM
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better for you just to spend the money now and save money on 2 tunes.
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Old Dec 1, 2009 | 12:45 PM
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Civic...Q5fAccessories

This manifold will be good? In terms of quality and shape of the manifold.
Because if you look the four tubes are not the same distance. Friends are saying??
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Old Dec 1, 2009 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by boostedEF91
better for you just to spend the money now and save money on 2 tunes.
Good idea but I keep buying other stuff for the car. Im already $1500 over what I wanted to spend. Im just not sure I can afford it.... We'll see.
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Originally Posted by 0487erasmo
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Civic...Q5fAccessories

This manifold will be good? In terms of quality and shape of the manifold.
Because if you look the four tubes are not the same distance. Friends are saying??
Looks good to me. Exactly equal length manifolds are hard to find and expensive. The one question I have is the brand "forged performance" lists nothing for honda's on their website. This guy is selling one for a B18 too. Maybe call the shop
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