my planned h22a build
tell me what u think and im open to any and all sugestions im going for n/a
skunk2 im
skunk2 vtec camshaft pro2
skunk2 camgears
skunk2 2 standard valve set
Skun2 throttle body 60mm
and skunk2 compostite fuel rail
and dc sport header
idk if i should get diff injectors or not
open to any suggestions
skunk2 im
skunk2 vtec camshaft pro2
skunk2 camgears
skunk2 2 standard valve set
Skun2 throttle body 60mm
and skunk2 compostite fuel rail
and dc sport header
idk if i should get diff injectors or not
open to any suggestions
Are you just building a head? What bottom end is it going on?
Pro2 cams with what compression???
60mm TB???
DC header???
EuroR IM + RDX Injectors instead
RACE header, not some DC garbage.(HyTech/SSR/SMSP) Can't suggest RMF because of all the past issues with delivery.
Pro2 cams with what compression???
60mm TB???
DC header???
EuroR IM + RDX Injectors instead
RACE header, not some DC garbage.(HyTech/SSR/SMSP) Can't suggest RMF because of all the past issues with delivery.
for now ya just the head. i was thinking of putting some 13:1 compressions pistons in.
and it will be the h22a bottom end and yes i was thinking of a 60mm tb and a dc sport header i open to changes that u think i should make but thats my thoughts of what to do so far
and it will be the h22a bottom end and yes i was thinking of a 60mm tb and a dc sport header i open to changes that u think i should make but thats my thoughts of what to do so far
Heres my take;
Buy a nice RACE header for ~$1k
Buy Pro1s with the valvetrain(Pro2s with 10:1cr=NONO=Poor midrange)
Use a EuroR IM with a larger throttle body(s2k?)
RDX injectors......
As far as tuning, you're screwed......you will have to find someone or you may as well NOT even build this.
Buy a nice RACE header for ~$1k
Buy Pro1s with the valvetrain(Pro2s with 10:1cr=NONO=Poor midrange)
Use a EuroR IM with a larger throttle body(s2k?)
RDX injectors......
As far as tuning, you're screwed......you will have to find someone or you may as well NOT even build this.
Ditch the cams (and valvetrain) if you can't swing it all, but get a good header and properly tune. Follow the rest of what he wrote as well.
Use (reuse) OEM valves (or Ferrea if you're adamant about aftermarket).
Rocket has always praise GE cam gears in the past. I'd use them over S2.
S2 composite fuel rail isn't available for the H22.
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Used vibrant + cam + valvetrain is a lot more than a used SMSP/Hytech/RMF/DTR. And I wouldn't get a 'race' header for what he's doing. Is there even price difference between Pro 1 and 2. You're effectively telling him to add a header to his budget, not balancing it. If he can afford all of it, great.
Used vibrant + cam + valvetrain is a lot more than a used SMSP/Hytech/RMF/DTR. And I wouldn't get a 'race' header for what he's doing. Is there even price difference between Pro 1 and 2. You're effectively telling him to add a header to his budget, not balancing it. If he can afford all of it, great.
What do used SMSP type headers even go for? Can you even find used ones?
There is NOT a price difference between the P1 and P2, but why would someone use a P2 on a 10:1cr setup? It would more than likely beat up his midrange and not benefit much on the top end.
Last edited by NirVTEC; Nov 16, 2009 at 05:20 PM.
Used cam+used Vibrant+stock VT is NOT a lot more than a used SMSP(Race) header if any. I just refer to the REAL H22 headers as RACE headers.
What do used SMSP type headers even go for? Can you even find used ones?
There is NOT a price difference between the P1 and P2, but why would someone use a P2 on a 10:1cr setup? It would more than likely beat up his midrange and not benefit much on the top end.
What do used SMSP type headers even go for? Can you even find used ones?
There is NOT a price difference between the P1 and P2, but why would someone use a P2 on a 10:1cr setup? It would more than likely beat up his midrange and not benefit much on the top end.
Not suggesting he used Pro2 cams, but the way you wrote your post, you made it seem like Pro1 would somehow be cheaper.
oh my bad, tech only forum forgot about that. 
a header will be the best as far as your power goals for now because without tuning, you will not be able to unlock the power of cams, valves, valvesprings, and retainers. I forgot to mention, with e-mail, forums, and all that junk to transfer data, tuning solutions have also advanced in that way. They now have COMPETENT tuners who can tune your car via the internet. Simply send them a complete list of your modifications, they'll send you a basemap, you datalog a few WOT pulls and send it back, then they edit it for you and send you a revised map. After a few revisions, your tune is effectively running a good "street" tune. Surely it won't net the peak hp you could on a dyno, but it will be enough to see gains. my 2 cents on the matter

a header will be the best as far as your power goals for now because without tuning, you will not be able to unlock the power of cams, valves, valvesprings, and retainers. I forgot to mention, with e-mail, forums, and all that junk to transfer data, tuning solutions have also advanced in that way. They now have COMPETENT tuners who can tune your car via the internet. Simply send them a complete list of your modifications, they'll send you a basemap, you datalog a few WOT pulls and send it back, then they edit it for you and send you a revised map. After a few revisions, your tune is effectively running a good "street" tune. Surely it won't net the peak hp you could on a dyno, but it will be enough to see gains. my 2 cents on the matter
Last edited by dagle; Nov 16, 2009 at 06:32 PM.
so pro1 cams and what else i will try and find a tuner
i just wanna reach 250 hp all motor so what shld i do to gain that then since what i suggested seems not so good i guess
i just wanna reach 250 hp all motor so what shld i do to gain that then since what i suggested seems not so good i guess
If you want to reach 250 crank hp, it's not too difficult, if yo want to put down 250whp get nitrous. You have a long way to go if you want 250whp with these type of questions or deep pockets
compression
throw the pro2's in and get the engine tuned. Call Skunk2 and ask what the recommended cam gear settings are for a stock bottom h22. That or have the cams degreed (recommended) to the proper lobe center line.
I have a feeling the pro2 will work out just fine even with stock compression. You just wont get everything out of them, however, a pro1 is a much more suitable cam for a stock bottom end.
hmm i would go with even 1 pro 1. the thing is i just wanna put mostly all the parts i need to in b4 go get it tuned becuz the closest dyno tune is in denver.
if i did the pro 1 cams and 13:1 compression pistons thats put me at about 210 220 hp correct?
if i did the pro 1 cams and 13:1 compression pistons thats put me at about 210 220 hp correct?
Dynos vary by 1-20%.
In short, a stock bottom end won't get you anywhere near 250whp.....
I feel I have ALMOST maxed out the JDM bottom end I am running......short of a nicer header and ITBs.
Last edited by NirVTEC; Nov 17, 2009 at 03:01 PM.
You're going to need to start with using 89mm iron sleeves.....
What are you going to be using this car for?
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what would u suggest i do to the bottom end to achieve that goal then good sir
