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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 06:17 PM
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my question is if buddy club 3s cams are good for this set up... all i want from this is set up is something reliable yet still making a good power basically i wanna be able to go the track once in while run decent numbers and be able to drive back and forth to work.

this swap is goin in a 2000 si

P.S some feedback on the overall set up would be nice too like how much power will i make or maybe even some track est. track times..as far as suspension the car sits on 1pc tokico coilovers, ebay traction bars, skunk2 camber kit front and back ,function 7 control arms and brace, as well as front and back dc strut bars..last but not least hasport mounts

ecu=chipped p28 on krome car will be tuned by cunha at clm motorsports

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gsr port/polished and shaved
super tech springs
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stock valves
skunk 2 cam gears
BUDDY CLUB spec 3+ CAMS?


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b20z bored half over honed and decked
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cp rods
crank is knife edged shaved blue printed and balanced


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type r throttle body
golden eagle fuel rail and fpr
310 rc injectors and walboro 250 fuel pump
4-1 header
2 and 1/2 inch pipin with obx muffler
aem intake


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b16
bran new act stage 3 clutch with heavy duty presure plate
recut stock flywheel
type r lsd

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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 07:17 PM
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 08:49 PM
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m22x.

and this means wat?
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 09:28 PM
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BC3+ would be a fine cam for that motor. With 2L of displacement and head work, you might also be able to get away with Pro 1s.

Best of luck with your project.
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 10:32 PM
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and this means wat?
Rocket Motorsport M22x cams thats what he means.I have a few B20 builds running around like yours and run BC3+ they work great and the customers are very happy with there power and the way the car drives,but like ALL MOTOR has said I find the M22x a much better choice these days I have not tried the Pro1 Skunk cam as yet but will soon in another B20 we are building.
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Old Nov 12, 2009 | 08:02 AM
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^^^^^^^ thanks guys...im really lookin foward to finishing up this project
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Old Nov 12, 2009 | 02:58 PM
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bump ttt
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Old Nov 12, 2009 | 10:14 PM
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Old Nov 13, 2009 | 02:54 PM
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can i get some more opinions??
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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 11:03 PM
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Old Nov 24, 2009 | 07:48 PM
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thanks everyone for all this great info...not!
And thank you so much for using the search button instead of being lazy and expecting us to spoon-feed you....not!
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Old Nov 24, 2009 | 09:43 PM
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And thank you so much for using the search button instead of being lazy and expecting us to spoon-feed you....not!
dude it was joke calm down...i feel like i made a good thread that could have a lot insite on b20vtec builts but yet no1 has really given me n.e thought ive always had gsr motors in all my hondas and this is my 1st b20vtec witch i kno notin about thus the purpose of me makin this thread

p.s ill edit my comment if it makes u feel n.e better people are soo uptight these days its funny to me
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Old Nov 24, 2009 | 10:00 PM
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ive been thinkin about pro1s but idk about havin stock valves and using pro1s doesnt seem like a good idea
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Old Nov 25, 2009 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ekkilla23
better people are soo uptight these days its funny to me
Not uptight at all and my post was pretty clearly a joke as well, so maybe you should relax a bit. For the people who participate on H-T on a regular basis and put some effort into contributing, the threads asking for information that is here in 99 other threads gets pretty frustrating. Everybody wants to be spoon fed these days.
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Originally Posted by Top Ramen
Not uptight at all and my post was pretty clearly a joke as well, so maybe you should relax a bit. For the people who participate on H-T on a regular basis and put some effort into contributing, the threads asking for information that is here in 99 other threads gets pretty frustrating. Everybody wants to be spoon fed these days.

i hear wat ur saying dude but trust me when i tell u ive looked and read a lot of the all motor b20vtec threads on here and i have yet to find a set up built like mine now dont get me wrong there are some set ups tha are close to mine but never the same and of course everyone builts there cars with their own ideas...thus the reason why i made this thread wat makes my thread diff then the others on here is my compresion i built my b20 at 10.5.1 compresion and with a shaved gsr head ill more or less be at 11 in compresion and im using stock valves...correct me if im wrong buddy club3s usually are used when ur compresion is over 11 as well as a head with a full valvetrain not just spring and retainers..you see i want this set up to be perfect in every aspect...but like i was saing i also asked for members to give me an overall opinion on my motor build...one of my main concerns is weather this is good reliable motor tha will last with good care

p.s...wat it all comes down to is that this is my 1st b20vtec and im worried bcuz of all the negatives i have heard about them

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Old Nov 27, 2009 | 02:21 PM
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up up up up....
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Old Nov 27, 2009 | 10:21 PM
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i would not touch Rocket Motorsports. in this day and age with all the bad rap going around with all these small, apartment living room operations, i would stick with a larger company that can AFFORD to be held accountable if there is a manufacturer malfunction.

and the one large operation i would not touch is skunk2. they cant seem to make a cam that can keep the lobes from wearing off.

try JUN 3s. i had those in a B20V about 5 years ago. pretty sure titan motorsports still has some new.
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Old Nov 28, 2009 | 11:37 AM
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should of got higher CR pistons. that way you could run bigger cams. unless you wanted to boost later i guess. but buddy club 3s should be fine, just dont expect 200hp. i say somewhere around 185hp and thats a high estimate.
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Old Nov 28, 2009 | 06:07 PM
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Does anyone here realize that higher compression (generally speaking) is used to compensate for a lack of displacement? Large cams need either higher compression or larger displacement to make good power. Having both CAN be good as long as it's for a specific application but in relation to this thread, running a 2L gives you plenty of options for cams EVEN at 10.5-11:1 compression. Stock valves are all that's needed here as well, its just the valvetrain that would need to be upgraded. You can run all of the different cams mentioned here including pro 2's and depending on the intended use of the car, your tuners tuning ability and where you want to make power will determine what to ultimately go with.

Your build might be unique to you but I can assure you, it really isn't that different from many B20 builds as far as what parts will work and what doesn't. Reding about other B20 builds on here will give you good ideas on what to use and expect for power.
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Old Nov 29, 2009 | 01:13 AM
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should of got higher CR pistons. that way you could run bigger cams. unless you wanted to boost later i guess. but buddy club 3s should be fine, just dont expect 200hp. i say somewhere around 185hp and thats a high estimate.
i read this post twice trying to find something correct within it and i couldnt find a single thing. a proverbial fountain of misinformation.
youre nuts.
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i would not touch Rocket Motorsports. in this day and age with all the bad rap going around with all these small, apartment living room operations, i would stick with a larger company that can AFFORD to be held accountable if there is a manufacturer malfunction.

and the one large operation i would not touch is skunk2. they cant seem to make a cam that can keep the lobes from wearing off.

try JUN 3s. i had those in a B20V about 5 years ago. pretty sure titan motorsports still has some new.
yea honestly where im from in new jersey rocket motorsports isnt even heard off lol soo with that said i wouldnt go near them but ill look into the jun 3s eventho im most likely goin to go with the buddy club 3+ ive been doin plenty of research and have talked to a lot of tunners from new jersey and all are pushing me to go with the buddy 3s

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should of got higher CR pistons. that way you could run bigger cams. unless you wanted to boost later i guess. but buddy club 3s should be fine, just dont expect 200hp. i say somewhere around 185hp and thats a high estimate.

if u go back and look at wat i said in the post im lookin for a reliable motor and i dont wanna push the compresion nor did i do this build to run a "big cam" i want to have a well balanced motor...but i am willin to bet 1 thing i will reach 200 hp with the compresion i have..the tuner thats tunnin my car got 205hp out of a stock b20z block with a b16 head skunk2 valvetrain and pro 1s...so why wouldnt i with built block? granted i did mine conservative but it was done keeping balanced in mind thus the reason why i feel so strongly about this set up.

p.s ill be postin up the charts of my dyno tune

Originally Posted by 00Red_SiR
Does anyone here realize that higher compression (generally speaking) is used to compensate for a lack of displacement? Large cams need either higher compression or larger displacement to make good power. Having both CAN be good as long as it's for a specific application but in relation to this thread, running a 2L gives you plenty of options for cams EVEN at 10.5-11:1 compression. Stock valves are all that's needed here as well, its just the valvetrain that would need to be upgraded. You can run all of the different cams mentioned here including pro 2's and depending on the intended use of the car, your tuners tuning ability and where you want to make power will determine what to ultimately go with.

Your build might be unique to you but I can assure you, it really isn't that different from many B20 builds as far as what parts will work and what doesn't. Reding about other B20 builds on here will give you good ideas on what to use and expect for power.
i strongly agree with wat ur saying about displacement this is the reason why i built this motor the way i did..before i started to put parts together i thought about balance and how i could fully build a b20vtec and still b able to drive across country with no problems wats soo ever..i regret not gettin valves but being that im like 90% on the buddy club 3s im sure ill be fine without them..my tuner cunha from clm motorsports (for those that are not familiar with who he is..hes pretty much one of the best tunners in the tri-state area) feels as tho the buddy clubs 3s are the best cam for my built bcuz of their ability to make power all the way threw the rpm range
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Originally Posted by ekkilla23
yea honestly where im from in new jersey rocket motorsports isnt even heard off lol soo with that said i wouldnt go near them



great choice. now all you have to do is NOT put a kiddracing header on it and NOT have DFE build/tune it, and you should have a motor you can enjoy.
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Old Dec 2, 2009 | 10:52 PM
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u should be making at least 250 hp at ur hubs.. if ur not close to that somethings wrong with ur build,.. good luck buddy
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great choice. now all you have to do is NOT put a kiddracing header on it and NOT have DFE build/tune it, and you should have a motor you can enjoy.
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