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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 06:23 AM
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I've seen this before, but never had it on my car. Anyone have any insight as to what causes it? It's not rubbing anywhere on the car. You can see a faint line all the way around the tire in that area, almost like something is seperating or something?

These tires have 7 passes on them, all from one day at the track. No dyno time, no time sitting on the car. On the car on race morning and off the car that night. Not sure when it happened, we didn't notice it until we were unloading them from the car at the shop. It was dark out when we took them off the car at the track.









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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 06:30 AM
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I have never seen this before, I have had a lot of dealings with m/t slicks in rwd applications cars that go in the low 1.20s in the 60' and never seen this. I think you got a bad set, it almost looks like the tread seperated from the cords/bands then possibly bubbled up and tore off while driving the car down the track. I would call them and send them these pics.

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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 06:31 AM
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if you go to a nhra race and look at the tires on afuel car and they usually look like that after one pass. It looks like seperation. It is usually not in one spot like that though. They are more spread out. I have some pics on my laptop from Vegas, but can't get Internet access on the road right now.
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 06:34 AM
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I sent pics to tech at MT, i'll update this if I hear back from them.

Chuck has had this happen to him a few times and he said that he thinks Ballard has as well. Brian, any insight?
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 06:37 AM
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Ive seen this twice...both cars were on the dyno though...
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 06:58 AM
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Ive seen that happen alot but only on the dyno. It happens when i do alot of runs back to back.
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 06:59 AM
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I've had it once, happened when the tires were grabbing like hell, then spun. i also recall seeing eggums tires look like that once or twice, bergenholtz i think also had this issue.
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 06:59 AM
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edit: nm, just saw the pictures.. (can't see them at work).. Not the same issue..

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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 07:00 AM
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wow 7 passes, and other have dealt with it before. It has to be a bigger issue than we think either a material/design flaw issue.

has anyone seen it on any other brand
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 07:18 AM
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Can it have something to do with FWD cars running low-flat looking pressure? Also cars making lots of power with all the weight on the front tires?
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 07:24 AM
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the car is question seems to have an alignment issue with how the tire wear looks.

Not sure about the chunks missing, is it possible the car is scrubing the tire?
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 07:34 AM
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How wide of a rim vs the tire? My first guess would be too narrow of a rim with too little pressure while spinning the tires too hard. The chunks missing is an overheated tire thing. I've seen it on fuel cars. You can spin the tires so far down the track you need to think of this application more like a fuel car than anything else. Pro mods can't spin the tires as far down the track as an SFWD car.

My guess is the tire is riding on the sidewalls off the line and then stands up hard on the big end. The gap in the contact patch near the outer edge of the tire is what I'm basing this on. I was amazed how much the 12" wheels evened out the tire wear near the sidewalls on my car. That is with a 10.5" tire on mine.

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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 07:38 AM
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I've seen this happen on Joe's car before. It would look like blisters. I would agree with Kevin in that it could be caused from the rim being too narrow and not enough pressure.
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by miller
the car is question seems to have an alignment issue with how the tire wear looks.

Not sure about the chunks missing, is it possible the car is scrubing the tire?
i was thinking the same Toe issues to be exact. That's where Toe takes effect.
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 07:58 AM
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This is from my car. 10" wide rim with double beadlocks. 26x10" tire. The car doesn't spin the tire a ton, but it obviously does spin.

I think the tires pick up some 'abnomal' wear looks from having a spool. When turning with a spool it really drags the tire.
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 08:06 AM
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It'll be interesting to hear what the M/T techs have to say about that.
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 08:07 AM
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Could that be caused by doing a burnout on a poor surface? Lump of tar or something and the tyre has grabbed it?
Unlikely I know, but another option I guess...
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by tony1
I think the tires pick up some 'abnomal' wear looks from having a spool. When turning with a spool it really drags the tire.
that makes sense, almost creating a toe effect compared to a car that has toe issues driving straight (if that makes sense). But 7 runs? that's kinda fast. Have you had this issue on previous tslicks with the same setup? My guess is no which leads to a design flaw, or a bad set.
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 09:38 AM
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Was this on both sides?
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 09:44 AM
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Time for some M&H's???
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 10:33 AM
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how consistant are the chunks from the beadlock mounting point
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 10:37 AM
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Is it exactly what you're saying, that when turning it's dragging and tearing a "soft" hot tire? Dunno
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 10:54 AM
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Interested to hear the reasoning behind this, not to long ago I remember posting a thread in this forum about the same issue, but I think the tire actually split more while going down the track. No one had any clue why though, I wanna say it happen to Joe awhile back, gonna search for it but H-T search sucks
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 11:01 AM
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i had one do that in 4 passes, its like the outter layer of rubber just deterirates away. The inside layer is tough as nails so they still hold air.
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 11:09 AM
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This happens to top fuel dragsters on tracks are very tight Ive seen chunking of tires.
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