ok so im kinda stuck here...deciding to go all motor or to boost...i kinda know what everyone is gonna say but i just wanna make sure.so if i go all motor im gonna add skunk2 stage lll tuner series cams skunk2 cam gears,skunk 2 intake manifold,and pistons...and if i go boost its gonna be an ok turbo nothing expensive like greddy or turbonetics....i currently have a b20z with a b16 tranny..i will be adding a gsr head to this block....so BOOST?? or ALL MOTOR??? what would you guys go with???

 

bein that your in the allmotor form your porbly gonna hear go allmotor if u post this in forced induction you already know what your gonna hear .. its personal choice u gotta make on your own .. i picked all motor because i like the idea of bein a underdog and expected to be slow ... its easy to make a fast turbo car , more work for allmotor , the main thing u need to decide is how far you wanna go into the build and how much u acualy wanna do to your car , because one of the choice requires less work to make power

 

If I could do it all over again, I'd boost.

I'm tired of spending $ to go slow and be the underdog.

All my buddies are boosted and rape my car at the track, gets old...
Hence my piecing together a turbo kit.

To each his own, it really depends what YOU want out of your car.

 

ok good answers so what do you think will produce more power all those extras i would add if i go all motor....or.....an ok turbo with stock internals boosting around 10lbs..???

 

well for one thing you get is more respect for having a fast NA car. like mentioned before its not hard to go fast with a turbo. some see turbos as cheater performance adders. i look at it in a way of not having to worry about extra components. not only that but you have to substantially modify your drive train. its also a lil harder to drive around the streets with a car that has so much power on a fwd platform without lsd( at least in the city where theres so much traffic). but it really just depends on the driver. some dont mind it and if you have a moderate setup, boosting 12-15psi will be easy to handle without having a lsd. i have two friends that both wrecked their 400+whp turbo cars. they were bone heads and were reckless drivers though. one of them switched to a NA setup and the other doesnt drive hondas anymore because of those incidents. i personally dont think fwd cars need turbos just because of how they handle, but its your choice. you will spend a lot more money for the "reliable turbo setup" when compared to NA. think about it, more stress on parts leads to more wear and more $hit to worry about. in the end it comes down to how fast YOU want to go..

 

Seriously, if you need to ask a question like that, this is my advice. Just save your money, sell you honda and buy a car that is already fast stock. It's less hassle, more reliable, and no need to deal with CA smog. If I could do it over again, I should have sold my GSR before I started modding it, and got me an Evo 9 MR. It's a bit faster than my GSR right now, and would have cost about the same.

Like already mentioned about, NA is expensive and yields minimal gains if the parts don't compliment each other and are not put together well.

Guys who just slap a cheap turbo on their motor won't have a usable motor for long.

 

i would buy a bone stock car that is already fast but i dont think it will fly to well with the car crew im in ...the car crews name is built NOT bought ...lol

 

the turbo will produce more power. but that doesnt always mean it will be faster. 10psi on a stock block wont last as long as you'd like it to. a 250whp na 2000lbs car is about as fast or almost as fast as a 350whp turbo car of the same weight

 

So are you actually gonna build your motor or pay someone to do it?

 

like he mentioned you could buy a car that is already fast like an EVO or STI but if you must stick with hondas and like to turn wrenches and make a naturally slow car into a fast one then you are a guy that takes pride in his work. a guy that likes a challenge, someone who doesnt mind working at goals which aren't so easy. if i had the money i would turbo charge a S2000 but still keep my all motor coupe for road racing.

 

im gonna do all the work myself...and my boy will do the tuning...

 

If that's the case, I would do the B20vtec, RS Machine 84.5mm pistons, ARP rod bolts, Golden Eagle b20vtec kit, good cams to complement the motor, and a good intake/intake manifold/header/exhaust(3" system) combo, injectors and tune.
All that should make great, reliable power, plus NA bragging rights

 

this is prob what i will go with..i am upgrading my fuel system aside from all the work that i mentioned earlier...fuel pump,fuel regulator,i already have the fuel rail,and rc injectors...and a nice spark with a msd ignition kit to combust that chamber nicely...

 

boost. its cheaper

 

Ditch the aftermarket fuel rail and MSD. Stock is more than adequate

 

my opinion (because i am DEVOUT in my conviction) is build NA.

turbos, nitrous and super chargers are considered "Cheating" and EASY power to NA purist like myself and the others here whose forum you have invaded with your blasphemous talk of BOOST. LoL!! LoL!!

NA Honda tuners garner great respect from building a fast car....
"Boost Boys", "The Chemical Crew" and "The Blower Bunch" are expected to be fast due to help with induction.

besides that, NOBODY does NA better than HONDA!!!!!!!! and BMW....

 

Or Yamaha, or Suzuki, or Kawasaki, or Ducati, or Ferrari, or Lamboghini, or Renault, or Mercedes, or Toyota, or Ford Cosworth...

8-12 cylinders are better than 4.
RWD > FWD
JATO > NA
JATO > FI

Lame thread.

 

i was refering to specific output there guy and the two i consider to be at the pinnacle of NA developement

i prefer four cylinders myself (being a Honda man and all) but i do like others

 

I've always like the thought of "power on demand" which you get with an NA build rather than hitting the gas and waiting for the turbo to spool up.

 

im going all motor..in reality all motor will outlast turbo.and this is also my daily driver i dont think i mentioned that.thanx for sharing your brainz......804

 

You worried about smog test?

 

i got a spot that will take care of me...plus i just did mine a few months back so im good for another year and a half

 

Cool deal,
B20vtec, good combo, nice throttle response.

 

I decided to go all motor half way through a 2.0L turbo build because I planned on driving the car everyday and turbo would have been too crazy for the street at that amount of power. Exchanged the 8.8:1 turbo pistons for a set of "X" 11:1 all motor pistons. (but, coated the pistons for nitrous just in case) Been driving it everyday for three years! Reliability...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1-9HKuDdiI

 

Its a preference thing to me. I mean, think about it. With a turbo, you can go fatser for less. All motor you are faster with the amount of money you spend. I prefer all motor over boost because I like being the underdog. Both set ups have their pros and cons, but in the end, its up to you...