hello i have a 1990 integra ls and about a month ago my passenger seat belt stop working and today i took it to the dealer and they said that the warranty does not cover the seat belt motor but cover some other stuff they guy said and i explained to the guy what happen to the seat belt that it just stop working and he told me that they cant fix it if i don't know that it is my only idea why it stop working is that the motor stop working i don't know what it could be and is it true that the warranty doesn't cover the seat belt motor and if its not can some one send me a link to show proof that it does cover the motor

 

when i bought my da, the driverside never worked. i took it in to get diagnosed to find out that it was the door itself was messed up. they didn't charge me for any of it, said it was covered by warranty. from what i was told is that the warranty covers everything that is involved with the seatbelt. (someone correct me if i'm wrong)

 

5-point harness + harness bar = win
who needs crappy auto seat belts.
they're really not all that safe anyway, especially if you habitually neglect to use the lap belt.

 

anything that has to do wtih the safety belt restraint system functioning properly is covered for life by honda. go back and talk to the service manager.

 

good luck with that one, your gona have to argue with the general manager over that one, last time i tried that they told me to get out

 

You have to talk to them nicely and explain to them that safety is more important than if your tech gets paid for doing this warranty job that they don't get paid for.

 

right, you go and try to pull that off at a dealer around here. got in a fight with a guy at a chrysler dealer in philly over a repair that was covered under warranty that we had to call chrysler corporate about, only to have the corporate office side with the dealer over a factory defect. You like to talk alot, but you dont back your statements up with anything, as evident by your previous post of...

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thats cause you're a jackass.

You have to talk to them nicely and explain to them that safety is more important than if your tech gets paid for doing this warranty job that they don't get paid for.
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is there any number i can call to find out the warranty on this or a web site i need proof . its unsafe and its BS that they wont fix it

 

This. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...i8w8qOEln-DlJA

 

Honda Seat Belt warranty (pg 32)
Acura Seat Belt warranty (pg 30)

 

yes, that is the warranty, and its a national policy that its supposed to be covered from malfunction for the lifetime of the vehicle, however the exceptions listed there are what get dealers out of it. If you can get a dealer that knows what their doing and values customer service then you will probably get it replaced problem free, but very few dealers are like that, like i said, youd be hard pressed to get **** fixed for free that was covered under warranty out here, let alone something like that.

Back in the beginning of 07 a few months after my brother bought his certified preowned pacifica, we were driving over to the college when all of the sudden he started blowing white smoke out of the exhaust and broke down the side of the road, i was behind him driving my neon i had at the time, we had it towed to the dealer, turned out there was water puddling in the bottom of the intake due to a defect in the resonator, they pinned the blame on us and said it was due to driver misuse of the vehicle, wound up costing him 250 dollars.

 

kaiba thx thats what i was looking for. now with this info they should be able to fix it Right for free

 

print it out and bring it to them and see what they say

 

yup thats what im going to do

 

You have to be shitting me. You really believe that a harness bar with five point harness is safer than a seat belt? You are severely misguided.

 

your joking right?

 

No, he is completely 100% correct.

A harness bar should only ever be used during auto-x, and even that is questionable.

A race harness should only be used with a fixed back seat, which should only be used when rollover protection has been added to the car. This means a proper rollbar for a street car, and a full cage for a track only car.

Safety is a complete package. Swapping out a single item without understanding the full impact to the whole system, could very well (and probably will) make the car less safe than stock.

 

Santa Monica Acura had no issue replacing the belts, sliders, rails, and electric motors, for both sides (essentially, they replaced the whole system), in my 90 LS 2 years ago, all under warranty. They even washed the dirty car, vacuumed the carpet, and gave me coffee while I waited. No cost.

OP, try finding a better dealership shop.

 

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i could have sworn that harness bars put the harness at the proper angle to prevent spine compression.
i could be wrong though, i'll admit that.

 

they do, 5 point harness is always a better saftey choice over a seat belt, but for a DD as far as convenience and comfort is concern, i prefer just a regular old seat belt

 

Actually, it has nothing to do with spine compression from the belt position (that's it's own topic and not what I was referring to). You can position a harness correctly even without a harness bar in many cars.

For example, using the rear seat lap belt attachment points:


Granted, that's a 4 point harness, but it was designed by Schroth specifically to mount that way.

A fixed back seat (race seat, non-reclinable) and a harness will hold you firmly in place. This is great for the driver, right up until an accident.

With the stock seat and belt, if the roof collapses, the seat back will break at the recline mechanism. There are also many people who believe that the 3 point belt allows the driver's upper body to be pushed towards the center of the car, over the shoulder belt, as the roof tries to crush your neck.

Of course, none of us thinks that we'll flip our car. A friend of mine was sideswiped at an intersection not too long ago (other car ran the red), and his Fit rolled 6 and 1/2 times. Sometimes, all it takes is an idiot on the road with you to leave you upside down...

With a fixed seat and the harness holding you in the correct driving position, your head/neck will be what tries to hold the roof from collapsing in. This is why you should add rollover protection when installing a race seat and harness. The rollbar provides the added benefit of offering the perfect harness mounting position as well.

And these reasons are why I still have the stock seat and belts in my DC2 (though, I do tie the belt in a knot at the buckle to keep my waist firmly in place but still allow upper body mobility). I use the car for work commute, autocross, and HPDEs. Until I'm ready to kill backseat use and add a rollbar, I feel that I am safer on track with the stock equipment.

Anyway, just passing along some information.

 

No it is not. Read the post directly above mine.
If it really increase your safety, don't you think they would come standard with side curtain airbags, front airbags, rear airbags, etc?

 

i read the post about the 4 POINT HARNESS. Now take a step back and read up about a 5 point harness, and how they are used in jeeps and other rally and race cars. Once again im not gona go in depth in this conversation due to the intelligence level of most people here on hondatech, but theres a reason 5 point harnesses are required for saftey reasons in most automotive sports. And theres a reason they cause injurys if they are done wrong as well, just as if you have a faulty seat belt or improperly used one at that.

 

Correct statement. People like Spawne run their mouths and never get anything. No one likes an ******* and that is why they didn't fix your stuff. When I had a DA, I had mine fixed for free. Same deal with the free car wash.

 

Do you even know the difference between a 4p and 5p harness?
All those vehicles have roll cages... Your street car does not have a roll cage does it? So you can go ahead and run a harness with a harness bar and when you get into a roll over you can come back and post up how you were saved by your harness and harness bar after your neck and spine get crushed by the roof of the car and your face gets scraped across the pavement.