So i've been wondering why are so many people running boost without a tune? Isn't it really harmful to do so (especially on stock internals)?

 

People are stupid. They have no problem buying gt30r's, custom turbo manifolds, etc.... but something as simple as driving it to a tuner is WAY to hard.

I have no idea how that makes sense

 

yeah i've been piecing myself a custom turbo setup and haven't found any EMS as of yet, can i use a hondata s100 for an ems? If so i'm pretty sure the hondata s100 is cheaper then the turbo itself.

 

"I just finished my turbo kit, but I dont have enough money for a tune."

"Im gonna ride around on my basemap to save me some money. My buddy did it for a year, I'll be fine."

Those are just TWO of the many statements that should go in the B.I.H.O.F. (Boost Idiot Hall Of Fame).

 

You can check into Crome also, especially if you're on a budget.

 

I have a question to go along with this. i just got my block built with new bearings and forged pistons and rods..... I pieced myself together a decent turbo kit.
I don't have a car trailer and my tuner lives over 2 hours away. Do people usually break engines in on a base map? I know with breaking in an engine, you don't beat on it to bad. I'm thinking I might be able to break it in on a base map with like 4-5 psi or something. what do yous think?

 

go straight to the tuner after checking for leaks and doing a few heat cycles at idle. change oil and go to tuner.

rent a trailer i know u haul is like $40/day for a car trailer around my area. really no excuse not to spend the money when you think about how much is in your motor.

 

So, start it up and let it idle for a while with the stock injectors in it. Check for leaks and knocks lol, then take it to the tunner?

 

Is there any way I can get a tuned ecu for 7lbs of boost in a b18b1? Or would I have to actually buy hondata s100, or s300 and take it to a tuner to do so.

 

Why won't ppl get a tune? Stupidity is the answer. THe most important part of any turbo kit is the tune? I have heard every excuse too but it is just dumb to boost a car with no tune. Even 150 bucks to get your car to a dyno thats about the same as a really nice piston which you will need at least 4 of if you don't get tuned. Just treat tuning your car like any other part of the turbo system. Mandatory not optional for the system to work.

 

Every car is different. THats how it works. You buy a turbo setup and get it tuned. The whole invention of basemaps caused everyone to think thats all they needed. Hell even a SAFC would be better then a basemap.

 

You can run some good numbers with stock internals! But Like every1 has stated its all in the tune my tuner is running 403whp on a stock d16z6 tuned with Neptune its lasted about 8 months with no problems don't know how much longer its gunna last depending on how he drives it but its hella fast!

 

Damn people its not a science. Make sure your **** runs good. Put stock injectors in and stock map sensor. Drive to tuner. Don't floor it. I drove my car like this for a week, its not like your going to accidentally go into boost, hell we have a hard time getting our engines to spool turbo's in the first place.

 

Not if you pick the right one...

 

or you could just disconnect the actuator(internal WG) and do not connect charge piping, run the engine in as you drive to get tuned then reconnect.

 

alright how would it be with a setup boosting 6-7 psi with just a FMU on stock basemaps?

 

John Vegas has got good basemaps for turbo cars as long as you describe your set-up to him completely.

I ran his basemap for 2 months DD and boosted daily. Then I got tuned.
Tuner compared my tune to his basemap, and it was almost the same just a tiny bit rich.

 

hmmm i might have to talk to him then :]

 

Tuning your car isn't really all that hard. It's quite easy to start w/ a basemap & get yourself a pretty safe/solid street tune until you can get it to a tuner. Just takes a little research & knowledge of what you should be looking for, how to 'read plugs' etc. Just like the OP & others here I don't understand why people are building their cars, have the ability to piece together their turbo kits and/or install them, understand the basic functionally, but not understand the importance of a tune let alone not read up on how to.

Not sure about most but when I built my car I wanted to know all aspects of what I built, including how to properly tune my car. I didn't want to have to rely on a shop or another person 100%. I mean yeah you'll want to take you car somewhere to get yourself your solid tune & unlock the full potential of your setup safely... But nothing should stop you from being able to give yourself a conservative safe tune until you are ready to get yourself to that tuner.

I'm not sure what all everyone runs though. I run Crome Pro, Ostrich, Innovative LM1 wideband (I think LM1 or is it LC1?), EGT and all. Pretty easy to do & so much information out there on this site and all the other sites out there to put ANYONE at the point enough to safely drive their car as long as they know what they're doing

 

Phearable.net rocks :-)

 

Forgot to mention that John Vega is Mr. phearable.net

 

o phearable.net is him?!?! or them?!?

wow, i was actually thinking about telling them what my boost setup would be and actually getting an ems from them, so I don't have to take it to a tuner for a while. btw this car isn't my DD

 

It is always best to take your car to have it tuned asap. We do our best to provide customer's with the most accurate basemap we can for their application.

 

Pherable.net can get you a decent BASEMAP. Same problems still apply, it's a BASEmap.

Most people are too lazy or scared to add an O2 bung and keep stock injectors/ecu in just for the drive to the tuner. The closed-loop O2 will keep it cruising at decent AFR's if you aren't stupid enough to try going fast. As others have explained, it's always "my bro did this, so I should be fine too". It's also that Honda people have friends with other car makes, the types that can work with basemap chips far easier due to their MAF sensor.

One main problem is that Hondas enable cheap-asses to modify their car extensively. Worse yet, people seem to do less research the bigger their goals get...

 

Most intelligent remark I have seen on Honda-Tech in a very long time.

Thank you.

- Derek