Hello everyone,

First I wanted to say thanks too all who participate in these forums... Your time and information shared is always appreciated by those of us who lurk the forums learning.

Will try and stay quick and precise in my question and info to make this thread easy to read. And with any luck will put together another good thread to sum up some common questions for people.


MY PROJECT Car:
1994 Honda Accord LX,
Manual Transmission
F22B2 Motor. (Single Over Head Cam Non Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control AKA... SOHC non VTEC motor. )
135,000 Miles

MY GOAL: I'm setting an arbitrary but reachable goal of 300 to 320 HP by adding force induction, in this case a TURBO. This is going to be my first turbo project under taking. And is exactly that. An undertaking to learn and DO a turbo setup with tuning. At the end reaching the HP goal, and have this thread in the simplest form cover A to Z the parts and processes needed to do so.

MY LIMITATIONS: Obviously not everyone has a money tree in their back yard, so here are the limitations / guidelines I'm going to follow for this project.

1. Every attempt to keep ALL internal components to the motor stock.

2. Highest quality Vs. cheapest solution to each component.

3. Reliability is NOT the highest priority... BUT not at all the lowest. I'm thinking 40K more miles with NO worries will be the target minimum. Yet wanting to push the limit of the motor a bit.... After all I'm also doing this for some fun!

MY QUESTION(s): I want to post my starting basic Idea for what I and most common just want to bolt it on kind of people think they can do to reach this goal..... and have YOU (the ones that have been down this road) Fill in the blanks, and add your 2 cents to where you see it could be use full.


So reading threw the forums I have come to this rough guess.

1. the stock internals can handle 300HP... but over that is a quick and large drop in reliability. Does that seem true?

2. adding a simple turbo kit with inter cooler is a good start to getting to 300. Is this one for example on e-bay for about $850 a valid solution? Yes? What you expect to pay for it? NO? What do you suggest? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWAX%3AIT

3. upgrading your fuel injectors a must? For this Goal... what size what brand what controller you suggest?

4. upgrading your fuel pump will be a must? An inline fuel pump is the simplest solution?

5. upgrade your cluck is a smart choice... but at what HP range is it more a must do, then just a smart choice?

6. How well does the drive train all stock expect to hold up to ~300HP?

7. Proper tuning is a MUST.... but that is for a different thread... I have much reading to do before i worry about starting that one.

8. What specific smaller components need to be address to reach ~300HP? What can you say to look for? This is a big one, Your knowledge is most needed here.

9. This is a short list in obvious need of more.... Help me fill that in please.

In the end of this discussion, I WILL be putting into place everything that is decided / found here, and WILL be taking this car to the Dyno before AND after work is done... going to see if we can reach the GOAL... and with luck NOT blow the motor up in the next 12-24 months. But if we do.... I got more motors


Thanks in advance to all who participate!
Newbie turbo project guy.

P.S. Blast me with any information I should have posted here to make this more easily answered... i will add it ASAP.

 

Im really quite overwhelmed with the amount of questions and information your provided... and to that i salute you for thinking things through and not asking some half *** poorly thought out question ha . As far the boost i cant be any real help im just up late on meds for my back lol. As for as who CAN help try extralargenog. He is basically Zeus of the boosted accords, i think he puts down 700whp all day... which is enough to make me wish he was my father lol

 

this is the most organized thread i have ever seen

 

I am not all that knowledgeable on turbos.

But first thing you need to do is to get a compression test.
You can run injectors from a DSM.
Many people are 1/2 and 1/2 on ebay turbo kits.
You can safely run 6-8 psi stock internals reliably.
Most people go w/ a Walbro high flow pump.

I am w/o a doubt you cannot make 300 hp and even last 40k miles on stock internals. You are more than doubling the factory hp.

 

Yes very well thought out thread..
Q`s.
1. Yes upwards to 300hp depending on how well this motor has been taking care of in the past.
2. Ebay turbo kits are a "hit or miss" situation. Try it out an let us know.. If you want a truely reliable kit id say go with a reputable company.. You do kinda want a warrenty an all.. Id say its going to be quite a bit more than 895.00 though.
3. Yes, upgrading fual delivery is a must for that much HP.. HONDATA
4. Yes, you dont want to lean out you engine..
5. Clutch, Yes! stage 2 stage 3 will do fine.. Clutch is a good upgrade even on a stock engine.
6. Trans will be fine.
7. Correct!
8. Brakes!! Suspension.. You have to be able to control you vehicle after your going faster..

Keep us updated dude.. Seem intelligent..

:EDIT: As stated above compression test an leak down would be wise..

 

That's not true. The piston in a stock F22b2 is a cast piston. It will not be able to handle 300hp. The rods might be able to withstand the stresses. We do know it will fail. You are more than doubling the stresses it was designed and manufactured to handle.

 

Thats legit..
Has it been done? Yes, plenty of times.. For how long? I dunno.. Key word> UPWARDS..

 

a stock internal ls will go well beyond 300 hp boosted. whats the difference between an f22 piston and a b18 piston? i would tend to think not too much. look in the forced induction forum and read what kind of hp some people are running on stock internals, the results may shock you. to the op, sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders going into a project like this. take your time, and do things right the first time.

 

############ Ok tonights quick update. ##############

First topic brought up, and I fully agree. Compression check the cylinders... lets see if this baby can even hold stock Air before we force more in.. Makes sense. Will do that shortly.

Obviously these numbers are going to be found in the Service manual. Lets make it out in the open though. What are Normal, and Low numbers to be expected in the compression test. Results on the way.


Can it do 300HP on stock...? I have seen many arguments back and forth on this one. I will say I'm very inclined to TRY it.. as frankly this motor going pop will be fun to me if I learn something. At the same time make not... I fully expect the 300HP mark to turn this car into not your first choice for a transcontinental excursion. But I'm still taking it to get groceries... thats why it has 4 doors,

I am on the other hand looking for is solid example/ experience based proof of why or why not the F22B2 will respond positively or poorly and HOW. Save guesses and assumptions... I don't want to lead anyone too far off by accident.


Ebay turbo kits.. Like all things ebay its a gamble I get that. I have bought $20K cars sight unseen on ebay and been nothing but happy. And $80 phones and nothing but pissed. So lets hear some "I got this kit brand and it did this for me" stories. I can't be the only one looking at $800 complete kits and thinking its gotta be a deal....? Right?

Thats all for now... Compression numbers for project engine coming soon.

 

Here is a kit you might be interested in. Its not a $800 ebay kit but for the parts it has, it's got a great price
http://www.treadstoneperformance.com...and+F22B%2FH23

 

the kits on ebay arent that bad, just dont get a stainless manifold they crack easy, the best ebay manifold is about $100 bucks and its cast iron, i have been running one for 2 years strong on my boosted teg. The BOV and Wastgates arent to shabby either but the setscrews inside the wastegate that holds the plunger assembly together like to fall out but i put mine back in with lock tite and solved that. i wouldnt buy a ebay turbo, you can find a good garret for 300-400 bucks and piece the rest of the kit off of ebay