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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 09:43 AM
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I'm going to buy aluminum LCA's and saw that some brands like Skunk 2 are $300 while Blox are $100. Is there a major difference between the two, or any other brands for that matter, that would justify the cost difference? My uneducated opinion is that there wouldn't be since it's just a piece of aluminum with no moving parts, but I could be wrong. It's like buying $400 spoon strut bars or $200 lug nuts. There might be small differences in design and quality, but not enough to justify the expense.

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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 09:46 AM
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if you're putting this on an eg or integra, it does matter. on the blox the sway bar mounting holes are in the wrong spot. skunk2 has them correct.
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 10:17 AM
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A lot of the cheaper brands have issues with the bushings they use. If you do a quick search on here you will see what I mean. Also a lot of them have the swaybar mounting location at the wrong place which was stated above.

Is there anything wrong with your factory LCA? I would recommend sticking to your OEM LCA because it will definately outlast most aftermarket lca's that are out there. If you want a setup that has a lifetime warranty, then save your money for the Function 7 LCA. It's either OEM or Function 7. There isn't anything worth it in the middle. If you do decide to cheap out, make sure you can get replacement bushings easily. But most of the time it isn't that easy, and hence the reason why you soo many topics with the title "where can I get replacement bushings for my blox, omni..the list goes on" Do a search. The ones in the middle are more bling than anything, but usually not worth the hassle. This is just from my experience, but also from being a member on here for 10 years. I've seen my fair share of problems with them.

People ask me all the time why we don't make a aftermarket LCA, cause it's not necessary. A lot of these guys do not have enough experience to not only use the proper bushings material, but they also have designs that have not been proven to last in terms of new bushing design. It takes quite a bit of money for such a small little thing, and not a lot of people get it right.

So again, either save your hard earned cash and invest into something that will actually help the performance of your car, and or save up for something that I have seen really no issues with. Also the Function 7 LCA's are well engineered, and there bushings seem to hold up well. I did have a very hard time dealing with them, and getting in contact with them in the past. I am not sure if that has since changed, but I gotta show respect where it's due, and I can respect the product they designed. Also I offer a lifetime warranty on our dampers, and for them to offer the same shows they can back it up. But it's more than just backing it up, the product should last period. They have been around long enough to show that problems are minimal in terms of product quality, and again back it with a lifetime warranty just in case. Good luck pal.

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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 06:27 PM
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My PICs have held up VERY well. The bushings have showed NO signs of weakening, cracking, drying, anything. This is on a car driven everyday for the past year and a half. 150+ miles.

OEM, PIC, Function7 is where its at for sure. Wish I didn't have to get rid of my PICs, but the Koni/GC's I have are ITR spec....so, they only accept the JDM or Function7 ITR style LCAs.
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 07:37 PM
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My PICs have held up VERY well. The bushings have showed NO signs of weakening, cracking, drying, anything. This is on a car driven everyday for the past year and a half. 150+ miles.

OEM, PIC, Function7 is where its at for sure. Wish I didn't have to get rid of my PICs, but the Koni/GC's I have are ITR spec....so, they only accept the JDM or Function7 ITR style LCAs.
OEM, and F7's are the best aftermarket lcas, dont know quality of PICS but to him they sound good
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 07:49 PM
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Personally i've stuck with genuine oem lca's on my car. My thoughts the original lca's lasted 16 years. SO that's why i chose them and also low key.

Also if your bushings on your lca's are still good don't bother replacing your lca's.

I think it could of have lasted longer if i tightened the suspension on the ground instead of off the ground.
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by verycleanhatch
Personally i've stuck with genuine oem lca's on my car. My thoughts the original lca's lasted 16 years. SO that's why i chose them and also low key.

Also if your bushings on your lca's are still good don't bother replacing your lca's.

I think it could of have lasted longer if i tightened the suspension on the ground instead of off the ground.
blox bushings are just crap, car lowered to ground and torqued to specs they still will get destroyed soon OEM ftw
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Old Sep 24, 2009 | 06:42 AM
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Thanks for all the advice. I really don't need LCA's, but I'm installing my coilovers soon and figured I'd replace them while I had everything apart. It really doesn't sound like it's worth it though, so I'll stick to my stock one's. So why does everyone change their LCA's? Is it only for the look?
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Old Sep 24, 2009 | 07:12 AM
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Only reason why I went with PIC the first time is because of all the R&D time they dedicate to their products. If it weren't for that, I would have went with JDM LCAs any day of the week.
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Old Sep 24, 2009 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by dc2ls-vtec
Thanks for all the advice. I really don't need LCA's, but I'm installing my coilovers soon and figured I'd replace them while I had everything apart. It really doesn't sound like it's worth it though, so I'll stick to my stock one's. So why does everyone change their LCA's? Is it only for the look?
Honestly, cause most don't know any better, and for looks. I know quite a few people who have purchased them for just looks, and they clearly know the problems with the bushings some of these brands have, yet still purchase them. On top of that 95 PERCENT ARE NOT DESIGNED CORRECTLY! Most can't even get a simple swaybar location right. If you want to invest into something that is going to be useful, look into a ASR Subframe Brace, Hardrace Bushing Kit, Rear Swaybar, or a Corner Balance when you get the coilovers installed. And just incase your thinking it, no you do not need a camber kit :p If you have any further questions, your more than welcome to pm me. Good luck pal.
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Old Sep 24, 2009 | 11:43 AM
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Function7 LCAs to the world... Great looking, great machining, lifetime warranty on the arms and bushings... U cant go wrong with F7 if your going aftermarket... But oem lcas will perform their jobs just as good...
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Old Sep 24, 2009 | 12:02 PM
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I have omni for around 350. way beefer I think and the one drawback is the speed sensor line can only be bolted on by one bolt, but it ain't goin nowhere
Has great bushings. the reason I changed mine it because the stock lca/susp. bolt was literally seized in there making t impossible to remove. the shock was blown so I had to get them both new. I disintegrated the stock bushing trying to get it out.

3-4 lbs lighter than stock. Less unsprung weihgt, I've fed in to this hype, because the lightter i make things around the whells and suspension, i seem to perform better. I even noticed a difference when i installed the alum lugs.

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Old Sep 24, 2009 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by EK9 CTR
Function7 LCAs to the world... Great looking, great machining, lifetime warranty on the arms and bushings... U cant go wrong with F7 if your going aftermarket... But oem lcas will perform their jobs just as good...
I'd use these if i had a track integra
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Old Sep 24, 2009 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by dc2ls-vtec
Thanks for all the advice. I really don't need LCA's, but I'm installing my coilovers soon and figured I'd replace them while I had everything apart. It really doesn't sound like it's worth it though, so I'll stick to my stock one's. So why does everyone change their LCA's? Is it only for the look?
Because its cheaper to replace the whole arm, rather then swapping out bushings if the bolt is seized, when doing a coil over or strut job.
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Old Sep 24, 2009 | 05:09 PM
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My only concern is the bolt being seized. My car is rust free, but I live in an area that does use road salt in the winter. The rear shocks were swapped out once, so hopefully they will break free.
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Old Sep 25, 2009 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dc2ls-vtec
My only concern is the bolt being seized. My car is rust free, but I live in an area that does use road salt in the winter. The rear shocks were swapped out once, so hopefully they will break free.
whats cheaper $30 for 2 bushings that last 10+ years or 130-150 for lcas, which yur guna have to change the bushings on within a couple years
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Old Sep 25, 2009 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by dc2ls-vtec
My only concern is the bolt being seized. My car is rust free, but I live in an area that does use road salt in the winter. The rear shocks were swapped out once, so hopefully they will break free.
I honestly do not think this is as common as most people think. I have installed my share of dampers, and I have yet to run into this problem. I've ran into some stubborn ones, but nothing a shot of PB Blaster won't fix. That stuff rocks.
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Old Sep 25, 2009 | 02:02 PM
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I bought omni power lca's when they first came out, years back...never once had an issue on my daily driver with these.
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Old Sep 25, 2009 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy@AMR
I honestly do not think this is as common as most people think. I have installed my share of dampers, and I have yet to run into this problem. I've ran into some stubborn ones, but nothing a shot of PB Blaster won't fix. That stuff rocks.
Actually Andy it has been a recent problem as EG/DC chasis gets older. This is the only reason why I have these on my Del Sol. My stupid shock bolt snapped the head right off and I did this with a 1/2" drive ratchet! So I dropped the whole arm with stock shock still stuck on and chucked it! Ran straight to the local speed shop and bought the F7 and got but raped for the price but I did need them that day.
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Originally Posted by dc2ls-vtec
I'm going to buy aluminum LCA's and saw that some brands like Skunk 2 are $300 while Blox are $100. Is there a major difference between the two, or any other brands for that matter, that would justify the cost difference? My uneducated opinion is that there wouldn't be since it's just a piece of aluminum with no moving parts, but I could be wrong. It's like buying $400 spoon strut bars or $200 lug nuts. There might be small differences in design and quality, but not enough to justify the expense.

Thanks
I just bought blox lower contorl arms for my integra gsr, due to a bolt breaking off in the control arm when trying to swap lowering springs. I will let you know how I make out with them.
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Old Sep 26, 2009 | 11:55 AM
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whats cheaper $30 for 2 bushings that last 10+ years or 130-150 for lcas, which yur guna have to change the bushings on within a couple years
Considering that you need to pay a shop to press out the old bushings and press in the new ones, and all the time and hassle involved with taking the arms to a shop with a press, and it ends up costing way more than 30 dollars.

Unless of course if you personally own or have free access to a press, which almost nobody does.

For 120 dollars you can get a set of brand new OEM arms with new bushings already in them. You end up saving a ton of hassles, not to mention time, not having to deal with getting the old bushings out and pressing the new ones in.
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 03:10 PM
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So again, either save your hard earned cash and invest into something that will actually help the performance of your car, and or save up for something that I have seen really no issues with. Also the Function 7 LCA's are well engineered, and there bushings seem to hold up well. I did have a very hard time dealing with them, and getting in contact with them in the past. I am not sure if that has since changed, but I gotta show respect where it's due, and I can respect the product they designed. Also I offer a lifetime warranty on our dampers, and for them to offer the same shows they can back it up. But it's more than just backing it up, the product should last period. They have been around long enough to show that problems are minimal in terms of product quality, and again back it with a lifetime warranty just in case. Good luck pal.
Andy,

Can you contact us regarding your experience with our company? We pride ourselves in providing good customer service and we want to make sure we address any issues with our staff.

All our arms, braces etc are covered by a lifetime warranty, which covers our poly bushings too. If you have any issues with our arms/braces/whatever, give us a shout at info@function7.com and we will take care of you.

Regards

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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 11:22 PM
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^^^ which is why im buying a set
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 11:27 PM
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^^^ which is why im buying a set
You could get these new shiny things too.



...friend's drag race car - we don't really do drag racing at F7 but we support our racers.
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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 11:45 AM
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The F7 arms are the only ones that I have seen the bushings last on. Most chinese lca's have poorly made bushings and just don't last, even if the arms are installed properly.
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