We are thinking about making a sfwd class for this event.. Need to know if people are willing to commit to racing this event. If we can get racers to commit we will make a class for the sfwd class. Fees and payouts will depend on racers commiting to the race.
Please let me know if we should add this class..

Updated with another class!!! Details below.

Thank you
Ben @ VWR

 

Please pm me to register for the race. Need to make sure we have enough car to make a class. If we can get 16 to pre-register we will make this happen!

 

Your talking about something thats 2 weeks away? We're down to go to Vegas, thats not a problem, but you cant just add a class at short notice. We plan a few weeks in advance. We're going to CMI in Sac this weekend and I know some people are going out of town that weekend to race another event.

Its a good idea to add that class, but get some hype to it and let people know way in advance.

 

I agree with you 100%. We just found out we could add the class today. I know its short notice. All I can do is try...

 

We'll see if we can make it. But I doubt you'll get 16 in short notice.

Give us more info. Entrance fee? Payouts? Schedule? Is this the first event you're doing this or you have several events throughout the year.

Looks like a promising event.

 

wow we would like to go. but we need to now the payouts and the info asap!

 

Rival Street
Think you have the fastest Daily Driven Street Car? Prove it!
Rival Street is a heads-up class designed for daily driven hot rods, high performance imports, and late model muscle cars. With limited modifications that don't compromise the streetability of the cars. Rival Street is one of the most competitive classes in
Sin City Showdown. Front Wheel Drive, Rear Wheel Drive, All Wheel Drive Welcome!
STARTING LINE: Street Challenge will be utilizing a 4/10th's Pro Tree Starting System
ELIMINATION LADDER: TBD
BODY: The car must retain it's original appearance and profiles. All body parts must be intact including inner bumper supports. Aftermarket fiberglass replacement panels are limited to hood only. Aftermarket fiberglass spoilers are permitted.
FIREWALL: Must retain factory unaltered firewall, in factory location. A cosmetic overlay is permitted.
HOOD / SCOOPS: Forward facing hood scoops are prohibited (unless factory equipped for year and model entered). Fiberglass replacement hoods (cowl) are permitted, but limited to 4 inches in height.
WINDOWS: Must be of safety glass. No lexan permitted. All windows must be fully operational.
BRACKET RACING AIDS: The use of bracket racing aids such as optical sensors, delay boxes, stutter boxes, and throttle stops are prohibited.
CHASSIS / SUSPENSION
FRAME & CHASSIS: Stock frame rails must be retained front and rear and be unaltered. Sub frame connectors are permitted.
FRONT SUSPENSION: All cars must retain factory stock-type suspension. Front frame rails, radiator core support, and inner fender sheet metal must remain in stock location (trimming for header clearance permitted). Aftermarket tubular control arms, coil over kits, or OEM front strut retrofits are permitted. But must be a direct bolt on, no welding modifications permitted. Aftermarket Racing Struts with spindle mounts or hub mounts designed for tube type front ends are prohibited. Stock wheelbase will be enforced on all vehicles. Aftermarket Rack & Pinion Steering is permitted on car that did not come factory equipped. Factory sway bar may be removed. Chassisworks No-Fab, Smith Racecraft aftermarket bolt on front suspension kits are not legal.
FRONT BRAKES: Upgrading the Brake System is permitted, however, No lightweight Drag Racing Brake Systems are allowed.
Interior: Removal of Interior is acceptable as long as it's AFT of the Driver's Seat. Everything Forward must include Factory Dash, Some Type of Carpet etc.
K-MEMBER: Aftermarket replacement bolt on K-Members are permitted.
REAR SUSPENSION: All cars must retain stock rear suspension. Bolt on traction devices are permitted. Leaf spring relocation kits permitted for tire clearance only. No rear coil-over conversions permitted. No Mini-tubs or any modifications to the factory wheel tubs permitted. Rear Shocks must maintain factory angle. Anti-Roll Bars are not permitted. Factory sway bar may be removed.
ADDING BALLAST: Permanently attached ballast may be added in a NHRA legal manner. Removable ballast for the purpose of classification adjustments is limited to 100 lbs. in a NHRA Approved weight box, with a total of 500 lbs (Permanent & Removable) distributed evenly throughout the car.
WHEEL BASE: Must retain stock wheel base with a maximum variation right to left and front to back of one inch.
WHEELIE BARS: Wheelie bars prohibited
DRIVE TRAIN
AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSIONS: No two speed transmissions allowed. No Trans Brake, no electric or air shifters permitted. Aftermarket torque converters, shift kit, valve body, shifter, and pan cooler use are permitted.
MANUAL TRANSMISSION: Factory and Aftermarket manual transmissions are allowed. Clutch-less versions, Jerico, Liberty, or Lenco type transmissions are not permitted. All shifts must be made manually without the aid of electric or pneumatic devices. Also, clutch operation must be manual.
ALL WHEEL DRIVE: Permitted.
REAR END: Factory type rear end only. Housing may not be altered or shortened. No IRS conversions to solid axles (If you had to cut the car to do it, it isn't legal).
ENGINE ACCESSORIES: Must have minimum of water pump and alternator.
ENGINE BLOCK: Aftermarket blocks permitted. Maximum cubic inch size is 370 (For Power Adder entries) No tall decks allowed.. Aluminum blocks illegal (Unless factory equipped for year and model entered).
CAMSHAFT: Any camshaft combination allowed.
CARBURETOR / THROTTLE BODY: Carburetor limited to a single conventional 750 cfm(4150 type design). Carburetor is limited to 750cfm MAX. Carb modifications limited to removal of choke horn only. Polishing of ventures, fitting of the throttle shafts, metering and booster plate modification, aftermarket metering blocks, and changing of throttle plate diameter is strictly prohibited. Single carb spacers limited to 1 inch, including Nitrous Plate and Gaskets. No dominators type carbs allowed. Throttle body limited to a single 90 mm Round (105 Oval) max (105mm Ovals limited to 90mm Mass Air Meter). Dual throttle bodies legal if factory equipped however, they will be limited to a 80mm single mass air meter.
EFI: (Electronic Fuel Injection) DFI or aftermarket injection systems permitted.
AIR FILTER: All air entering carburetor or throttle body must pass through an automotive type air filter or Mesh Screen (K&N type Air Filters are permitted).
ENGINE MOUNT LOCATION: Engine must remain in stock location and retain factory type engine mounts. No motor plates allowed. Engine mounts may be solid.
OILING SYSTEM: Must be a factory type (Wet Sumps stay wet, Dry Sumps Stay Dry).
CYLINDER HEADS: Aftermarket cast iron or aluminum cylinder heads allowed, but retain the factory valve angle +/- 2 degrees. Porting allowed. Welding, epoxy, raise ports, and exotic modifications strictly prohibited. See approved list below:

Small Block: Edelbrock Victor Jr - Edelbrock Performer - Dart Pro1 - Dart Iron Eagle - Brodix 10STD - Brodix 11STD - Trick Flow 23 degree for Chevy - Trick Flow Track Heat - Trick Flow Twisted Wedge - Trick Flow TFS-51400010 - World Products S/R Torquers - AFR's 165, 185, 205, 210, 220 & 227 series - GM's 12464298 & 10125377
Big Block: Edelbrock Performer & Performer RPM Series - GM Bowtie (12363390, 12363392, 12363399, 12363400, 12363480 & 12363410) Brodix (BB-1, STS BB-1, RR BB-0, RR BB-r & RR BB-2plus) - Dart (BBC Iron Eagle & Pro-1 275)
INTAKE MANIFOLD: Any commercially available, mass produced manifolds permitted. Sheet metal or other composite manifolds are permitted with weight penalty for Small Blocks Smaller than 371 Cubic Inch, 6 Cylinders, and 4 Cylinder only unless factory. No Sheet Metal or other composite Manifolds for Small Blocks 371 Cubic Inch and Larger or Big Blocks.
EXHAUST: Production type mufflers are required unless running a Turbocharger. No collector inserts permitted. Modification or removal of muffler internals is prohibited (no gutting).
FUEL / FUEL SYSTEMS: Jaws Gear reserves the right to check fuel at any time. Gasoline is the only fuel permitted. Car must retain factory fuel tank (Lower sump add-ons are permitted) Mechanical and electric fuel pumps, pressure regulators, and any line size are allowed.
ELECTRICAL: Battery may be relocated and limited to 1 single 12-volt. Electrical fans allowed. The charging system must be operative and must be mounted in the engine compartment. Electric water pumps are strictly prohibited. 16-volt systems not permitted.
ON BOARD DIAGNOSTICS / DATA RECORDERS: On board diagnostic computers and recorders strictly prohibited. Memory and playback tachometers are allowed.
RADIATOR: An automotive-type radiator is required.
POWER ADDERS
NITROUS: Nitrous is limited to a conventional single stage 2 Spray Bar Plate System or a Single Fogger Nozzle (wet or dry). 2 Spray Bars in the plenum are legal in lieu of nitrous plate, but call for prior approval. Two solenoids for nitrous system MAX (1 Nitrous & 1 Fuel) Nitrous Solenoid is limited to a .110 orifice. No Purge Systems Allowed. Plate has to be commercially available using spray bars only (With Max Nitrous Jet Size .085) Cross Bar Plates are not permitted. System can only use one 10lb bottle, with a dash 4 line from bottle to nitrous solenoid. Bottle must be mounted in trunk. No progressive type controllers allowed.
SUPERCHARGER: Single centrifugal or small roots/screw superchargers are permitted. No cog belt systems, 8 rib normal size serpentine belt max. 7.25" MAX Lower Pulley.
Current list of superchargers that fit Street Challenge specs:
- ATI P600 & P1SC series
- Paxton SN, Novi 1000
- Vortech A, B, S, SQ-trim
- Factory ported Late Model Cobra
- 4-71, 6-71 Roots, 2.3 or Smaller Whipple Charger/Kenne Bell
TURBO: 67mm Measured Inducer MAX single only. No Billet Compressor Wheels Allowed!
INTER & AFTERCOOLERS: Air to Air Intercoolers permitted only (See weight add below in "Weight Guide" Any Aftercooler allowed)
STREET LEGAL REQUIREMENTS
INSURANCE & REGISTRATION: All vehicles must be currently registered and insured. Temporary Tags ARE ALLOWED!
HEADLIGHTS & TURN SIGNALS: All entries are required to have working headlights and tail lights (headlights doors must be fixed open or work manually or automatically on cars so equipped). Brake lights, turn signals are required.
TIRES for RWD: Front tires must have a minimum tread width of 4.5 inches. Front tires do not have to be DOT
approved. Rear tires must be a D.O.T. Legal and fit on a 17" or Larger Diameter Wheel, Bias/Radial Tires are Allowed. 15/16" Diameter Wheels are allowed with Radial Tire Only
(No Bias Ply Tires allowed) with a minimum treadware rating of 100 with a Maximum Height of 28". The tread of these tires must not protrude outside the body line at the top of the tire. If your car came from the factory with a tread rating lower than 100, bring factory info on the tires with proof tires came with vehicle.
TIRES for AWD: Tires must be a true "off the shelf" radial tire with a minimum tread rating of "180". Tire size is based off a P245/40 R18. 16-18in "off the shelf" radials permitted but cannot exceed the following dimensions: 9.65" section width, 7.9" tread width, 26.0" overall diameter. The tread of these tires must not protrude outside the body line at the top of the tire. If your car came from the factory with a tread rating lower than 180, bring factory info on the tires with proof tires came with vehicle.

TIRES for FWD: Rear tires must have a minimum tread width of 4.5 inches. Front tires do not have to be DOT
approved. Rear tires must be Mickey Thompson ET Drag 24.5" x 10" or smaller tire. Other brands are allowed as long as tire profile matches that of the Mickey Thompsons.
(All weights are race-ready, car with driver)
Four Cylinder / Six Cylinder No Power Adder:
119 Cubic Inches & Less/ 2300 lbs
120 Cubic Inches & More/ 2700 Lbs
Four Cylinder/ Power Adder:
119 Cubic Inches and Less/ 2400 Lbs
120 Cubic Inches and More / 3000 Lbs
Four Cylinder/ Dual Power Adder:
119 Cubic Inches and Less/ 2800 Lbs
120 Cubic Inches and More / 3400 Lbs
Small Block / No Power Adder:
370ci & less / 3100lbs
371ci - 427ci (Max) / 3300lbs

Six Cylinder/ Small Block / With Power Adder / 370ci Max:
Nitrous Oxide / 3400lbs
Turbo or Supercharger / 3600lbs
Six Cylinder With Dual Power Adder:
190 Cubic Inch & Less / 3800lbs
Big Block / No Power Adder:
Up To 468ci (Max) / 3600lbs

ADD WEIGHT:
Add 100lbs for the use of a intercooler. Air to Air only.
Add 100lbs for the use of a aftercooler.
Add 100 Lbs for use of Sheet Metal Intake (370 Cubic Inches & Smaller Only)
WEIGHT DEDUCT
Deduct 50 lbs. for Having Air Conditioning (Belt MUST be connected to pump and pump must be functional)

Deduct 50 lbs. for Having Power Steering (Belt MUST be connected to pump and pump must be functional)
Deduct 50 lbs. for Single Power Adder 6 Cylinder that is 183 Cubic inch and less.

PAY OUTS:
$50 Buy In
Payouts for 32 Car Ladder = 1st/$500.00, 2nd/$300.00 3rd-8th/$100.00
Payouts for 16 Car Ladder = 1st/$250.00, 2nd/$150.00 3rd-8th/ $50.00

 

Ok so the class is added!!!
The rules are to try and make it even for all types of cars. Fees and payouts are good for a private event.

 

It would be nice to race this event with cars currently setup for SFWD. But with how they are built these days, its based on old and current rules that we've been following.

So there's a few things that may limit your car count.


BODY: The car must retain it's original appearance and profiles. All body parts must be intact including inner bumper supports. Aftermarket fiberglass replacement panels are limited to hood only. Aftermarket fiberglass spoilers are permitted

Most of these cars have intercoolers and bumper supports and all that have been taken out. Fiberglass kits and front ends are the norm in this class so it would rule out more than half of the cars that could possibly enter this event.

INTAKE MANIFOLD: Any commercially available, mass produced manifolds permitted. Sheet metal or other composite manifolds are permitted with weight penalty for Small Blocks Smaller than 371 Cubic Inch, 6 Cylinders, and 4 Cylinder only unless factory.

There are a few cars running custom sheet metal manifolds that are similar in performance as aftermarket IMs. This one would turn away a few cars already.

FUEL / FUEL SYSTEMS: Jaws Gear reserves the right to check fuel at any time. Gasoline is the only fuel permitted. Car must retain factory fuel tank (Lower sump add-ons are permitted) Mechanical and electric fuel pumps, pressure regulators, and any line size are allowed.

Most cars have sumped systems so this would be fine. But there are a few that have converted to racing fuel tanks in stock locations which are currently approved in other similar classes. Theyre not small cells, there's still a 5 gal minimum on these tanks.

ELECTRICAL: Battery may be relocated and limited to 1 single 12-volt. Electrical fans allowed. The charging system must be operative and must be mounted in the engine compartment. Electric water pumps are strictly prohibited. 16-volt systems not permitted.

This isnt that common yet, but electric water pumps are starting to be accepted in this class.

TURBO: 67mm Measured Inducer MAX single only. No Billet Compressor Wheels Allowed!

67mm Max pretty much rules out 90% of the potential racers you're trying to get into this class. The racers that actually travel hours to races make up most of the cars in this category you're trying to target and theyre usually using turbos bigger than 67mm. With this turbo MAX rule, you can pretty much cross off the Hondas racing this class.


TIRES for FWD: Rear tires must have a minimum tread width of 4.5 inches. Front tires do not have to be DOT
approved. Rear tires must be Mickey Thompson ET Drag 24.5" x 10" or smaller tire. Other brands are allowed as long as tire profile matches that of the Mickey Thompsons.
(All weights are race-ready, car with driver)

Most common tire sizes for the SFWD type cars are 24.5x9, 25x8.7 and 24.5x8.5

ADD WEIGHT:
Add 100lbs for the use of a intercooler. Air to Air only.
Add 100 Lbs for use of Sheet Metal Intake (370 Cubic Inches & Smaller Only)

I dont know about the 100lb weight penalty. It all depends on who we're racing against, I guess. Most cars are setup at 2400lbs.

 

Not to mention the 100lbs for a non-cast intake mani.

For trying to include us though

 

The class is to try and make it good racing for all cars. Its based around a 10.00 class.

 

count us out!

 

Ya we understand. But it counts out alot of cars already built for this type of racing. If you adjust some of the rules to be similar to the current SFWD rules, you'd get a good showing from SFWD racers in AZ, CA and NV easily.

 

yea if it wasnt so limited i would race in it but im in a crx that probably weighs around 1900 lbs if im lucky...if you guys are looking for the locals to race in this with hondas most of us in town are well under 2400 lbs, you might get a few people who are in this class from vegas but probably not any fwd hondas... hopefully you can get a good turnout though

 

For those of you that dont fit in the other class...

Manual Transmission Shootout
8 car field but not opposed to 16 car field if the demand is there
This class is for street cars with factory OEM produced manual transmissions only.
Exterior:
All cars must retain full factory exterior body panels. Hood and trunk may be fiberglass.
Interior:
All factory interior pieces must be in factory locations. Factory door panels, headliner (Preferred), carpet,
dashboard are required. Back seat may be deleted but must have carpet covering the bare floor.
Street Legal Requirements:
All entries are required to have working headlights and tail lights (Headlight doors must be fixed open or
work manually or automatically on cars so equipped). Brake lights are required to operate.
Front Supspension:
All cars must retain factory stock-type suspension. Front frame rails, radiator core support, and inner
fender sheet metal must remain in stock location. (Alterations for exhaust only) Aftermarket tubular
control arms, coil over kits, or OEM front strut retrofits are permitted. But must be a direct bolt on, no
welding modifications permitted. Aftermarket Racing Struts with spindle mounts or hub mounts designed
for tube type front ends are prohibited. Aftermarket Bolt-on Front End kits that use a strut to replace an aarm
type suspension for
early Nova/Chevy II`s /Mustangs, etc..are permitted (Chris Alston, Smith Race craft, Fat Man, Heidts, Scotts
Hot Rods, T.C.I., etc..)
K-Member:
Aftermarket factory-replacement-type K-member permitted, but must attach to the chassis using only the
original factory OEM-type mounting bolts. No part of the K-member may be welded to the chassis.
Rear Suspension:
Car must retain stock type rear end and stock suspension that originally came with the car. Bolt on traction
devices are permitted. Sway bars may be deleted or added (This includes "weld in" anti-roll bars) Leaf
springs may be relocated for tire clearance purposes.
Wheel Base:
Stock wheelbase will be enforced on all vehicles.
Frame & Chassis:
Stock frame rails must be retained front and rear and stock floor retained. Sub frame connectors are
permitted. No tubs allowed.****Rear Frame may be notched for tire clearance.****
Transmission:
Factory OEM produced MANUAL transmission only.
Engine:
Engine design must be same make as the car. No engine swaps allowed.
Fuel:
Gasoline or alcohol only. No nitro.
Induction:
No limitations.
Tire:
No limitations.
Weight:
No limitations.


Manual Transmission Shootout- - Buy in $300.00

Payouts for 16 Car Ladder = 1st/$3000.00, 2nd/$800.00
Payouts for 8 Car Ladder = 1st/$1500.00, 2nd/$400.00

 

Bump for the new class.

 

BUmp! I'm down to run!

 

You need to open more classes for import vehicle, how about a import vs domestic, you would get a hell of a turn out.

 

Anyone here make it? At least to watch?

 

I watched.....saw the FNwerks all motrs car heading to LDL or somewhere and the "do it dyno" black hatch....saw you run a 12.0

 

Yeah, I was racing in the sin city showdown at first but I thought there was going to be a SFWD class.. Not everyone thrown into one! Still had fun though... I just don't think i'll do this again. I did break 2 of my own records though.. I bettered my 60' to a 1.76 and and my ET to a 12.0...

 

Congrats!

 

Most of the SFWD style AZ guys are running 72mm turbos, aftermarket gearsets, big intercoolers with no bumper supports, etc.. Nobody here is realistically going to change any of that stuff for a $500 payout.. Next time, more notice, and rules that would allow most of the current cars to compete would be a good idea.. Thanks for trying though!

 

This class is supposed to be more for a "real" STREET car... I don't really wanna get to deep into the definition of "street" car but that's what this class was designed for...

 

Ya you're not gonna attract the "travelling" hardcore racers to LV if its just for that. In our scene, real "Street" cars means, local racers pretty much. IF they wanna fill up classes, it has to be for those competitive cars willing to travel there. There's plenty of us in CA, NV and UT that are down for SFWD type class.