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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 06:19 AM
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i want to get the skunk2 pro 3 cams for my 97 Honda prelude which has the h22. and i was reading on their site about the cams and it say "these cams not emissions legal." what makes them not emissions legal?
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 06:56 AM
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actually i was just looking up other cams and i found that the toda cams have a lumpier idle. is that true? because thats what im looking for is the lumpy idle instead of the tipical
ricer sound.
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 07:07 AM
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Default Re: skunk2 pro 3 cams what makes them emissions illegal

Toda does not make cams for H22 applications.

They are illegal because they are not stock Honda or have not passed the Federal regulations/testing/proving required by the United States EPA. It's legal mumbojumbo. It won't matter what cams you use if the primary lobes are somewhat stock and you have the engine tuned and you use a catylitic converter then you'll pass the gaseous emissions test.
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 07:35 AM
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okay yeah i know the whole cat emissions jumbo but i was sure if it had to do with something else
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 07:36 AM
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but another question i have is which is better the crower cams or the skunk2 cams im looking for a nice sounding lupy cam
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 07:48 AM
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i think you are missing the point of vtec
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 07:57 AM
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but another question i have is which is better the crower cams or the skunk2 cams im looking for a nice sounding lupy cam
You're looking for a nice "sounding" lumpy cam? Is this to impress the Show Judges?
I'd doubt you even have the bottom end to support this......
Go spend your money on some "0" offset wheels instead man and a 4 color engine bay.....
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 08:47 AM
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LOL!!!

4 colors... haha
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 08:52 AM
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I can make you a fuel and ignition map for your stock H22 so that it sounds like a 15:1 methanol motor at idle. And you wont even need to open up the motor or worry about putting "illegal" cams in your car!

$100 shipped. All you need is a chipped ECU and you can sound like a camm'ed race motor!
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 10:09 AM
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^^ Haha you guys are cruel.

however they are right. you should probably be more focused on a stage 1 cam with Hondata or Neptune & Hytech replica header.

but that's just me, i'm the logical one. LoL
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 10:31 AM
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I can make you a fuel and ignition map for your stock H22 so that it sounds like a 15:1 methanol motor at idle. And you wont even need to open up the motor or worry about putting "illegal" cams in your car!

$100 shipped. All you need is a chipped ECU and you can sound like a camm'ed race motor!
C'mon. A guy with a respectable 2.0L posting something like this?!?!
Way to encourage him..........RICE!!!!!!!
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 10:52 AM
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C'mon. A guy with a respectable 2.0L posting something like this?!?!
Way to encourage him..........RICE!!!!!!!
I did a background check first

He has a 97 base with an Auto. That leads me to believe that a) he does not have any supporting modifications to warrant Pro3 camshafts, and b) is only after the illusion of performance (sound + look = must be fast!!).

Lastly, it was purely sarcastic, as an attempt to drive in the point that it is a waste of time and effort... Plus a little bit of phishing to see how concerned he really is about the "lumpy" sound of his exhaust versus performance. If he actually considers my offer, we know his true intentions.
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 10:57 AM
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I did a background check first
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I did too.....on you; Thats why I was surprised...

But Auto 4cyls can be fast too!


OP; spend 5-6yrs on h-t and you may be ready to change your oil.
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 11:26 AM
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just unbolt ur header if u want lumpy idle
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by dagle
just unbolt ur header if u want lumpy idle
If that doesn't work, just unplug a spark plug wire......
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 11:58 AM
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If that doesn't work, just unplug a spark plug wire......
I can vouch for that.....
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 12:48 PM
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If 98vtec were still here, this thread wouldn't have made it past the initial post...
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by turboorsupercharger
but another question i have is which is better the crower cams or the skunk2 cams im looking for a nice sounding lupy cam
Bisimoto cams are the best. The reason, we custom design cams for your engine. For example, If you like the bottom end of the Crower and the mid-range of the Skunk2, we can design a cam that will combine the benefits of both to the Bisimoto Camshaft.

Last edited by Janet@bisimoto; Sep 21, 2009 at 01:18 PM.
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by robert@bisimoto
Bisimoto cams are the best. The reason, we custom design cams for your engine. For example, If you like the bottom end of the Crower and the mid-range of the Skunk2, we can design a cam that will combine the benefits of both to the Bisimoto Camshaft.
But its impossible to like a Crower!
Have you guys done some testing worth posting?
Id be interested in something along the lines of lower mid range of a S2S1 and the rest like a JUN.
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 05:20 PM
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woah woah guys no need to be mean i have all intentions of doing a lot to my car just waiting on money and time

1st i already got a turbo kit for it
2nd im looking for a wrecked prelude with the 5 speed so i can swap it all for only like 500 bucks
3rd im looking for a nice cam but also a higher rpm range (i know i need to put the beafier valve springs on)
4th i have a full exhaust on my car (no cat, cat goes on for inspection)
5th taking off from the header back will never give you the sound of a "lumpy" cam just a loud *** car
6th if i take off a spark plug wire i might as well put it on the end of the exhaust to shoot some flames out the back (which would be kinda cool btw)
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 05:29 PM
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and i get the whole concept of the "4 cylinder" = "ricer" but i have heard and have seen these 4 cylinders sound like a worked v8 and run like a v8 when i hits the power band im a type of guy that likes a nice sounding respectable car NOT A RICER so if ther is anyone who can help me to pick out a nice set of cams please do
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 05:33 PM
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i have a full megan exhaust thats 2 1/2 stright exhaust if my mind recalls right
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 08:03 PM
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Seriously?

You are planning to boost and you are looking at N/A cams?

None of your mods/future mods give any reason to believe you are ready or have the know how for these cams.

No one here is calling you a ricer for wanting to improve the performance of a 4 cylinder. Most of us here are out to do the same thing. What's getting you the "ricer label" is the fact that you are looking for a CAM to get you that "lumpy (look at me) idle".
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 08:10 PM
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i have s2p2's on and that thing sounds nice and loud. i have s2p3's in my room waiting to be installed in about half a year and i know the noise wont change considerably but yeah n/a cams with turbo=no bueno. lol. turbo cams is best here son
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by turboorsupercharger
i have a full megan exhaust thats 2 1/2 stright exhaust if my mind recalls right
That is not strong evidence for supporting modifications.

Read this thread:
https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-prelude-4/dyno-day-results-4th-gen-h22-w-jdm-type-s-pistons-skunk2-pro2-cams-2646454/

I just built this motor for a friend, and his setup is BARELY at the point where it can support Pro2's.

Straight forward - before you even consider a cam such as Pro3's, you need to have $2,000-$4,000 in OTHER modifications such as headwork, valvetrain, pistons/rods, exhaust manifold, better induction (intake manifold, throttlebody), tuning system (ie: eCtune, Neptune, Crome, Hondata), clutch/drivetrain... The list goes on.

The truth - stage 1 cams will make more power on your motor than Pro3's.

Lastly, if you are truly interested in turbocharging your car, do not look at N/A cams.

It sounds like you need to spend some serious time learning before you start spending money on parts.
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