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Old Sep 20, 2009 | 07:25 PM
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Default ls vtec not starting for the first time since rebuild!

ok i got a 93 integra b18a1 block, and a 01 jdm gsr head!

the block was fully taken apart and machined ETC and arp head studs and p73 new pistons and rings! and new EVERYTHING!

golden eagle ls/vtec kit, skunk2 manifold!

now i have vacum,fuel,ETC all hooked up and no leaks! everything has fluiids ETC!


i go to crank it for the frist time and it just keeps cranking, wont turn over!

is thier a trick to geting it to start for the first time?

i checked for spark i have spark i have fuel pressure at 42psi on my gauge and the car does crank!

everything is hooked up on the sensors! do i need some kinda sensor? im runing a p73 usdm ecu and obd2 harnes! on a 99 integra gs 5spd


can someone please help me! im freaking out! its my first b series build! oh and my buddy who builds motors built the motor for me lol not me!
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Old Sep 20, 2009 | 09:10 PM
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bump TTT anyone? im stuck
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Old Sep 20, 2009 | 10:00 PM
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Are youre wires in the correct firing order, timming and are youre inj correct connectors in the right place? did you try to swap out ecu with youre stock one? with fuel and spark youre vehicle should start theoretically speaking
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 04:54 AM
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Default Re: ls vtec not starting for the first time since rebuild!

Timing
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 07:30 AM
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Default Re: ls vtec not starting for the first time since rebuild!

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Timing
Amen!
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 07:41 AM
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Default Re: ls vtec not starting for the first time since rebuild!

I agree on checking the timing and firing order again.

Also, I don't believe this keeps the engine from starting, but have you addressed the crank sensor issue?
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 07:54 AM
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Default Re: ls vtec not starting for the first time since rebuild!

Also recheck all your grounds, especially the one that goes to the thermostat housing.
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 09:14 AM
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the timing is dead on! and iknow the firing order! imma check the injectors for some reason i have a feeling that they arnt priming! and im going to re check grounds and im going to add some grounds and see whats going on! thanks guys
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 10:34 AM
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try jumpstarting it?
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 11:07 AM
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Default Re: ls vtec not starting for the first time since rebuild!

Originally Posted by seanbev24
I agree on checking the timing and firing order again.

Also, I don't believe this keeps the engine from starting, but have you addressed the crank sensor issue?
that's for obdII

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Also recheck all your grounds, especially the one that goes to the thermostat housing.
if that ground was bad he wouldn't get a spark at all, its a logic ground for ECM sensors, including ignition. ground for spark are the one that goes to the tranny and to the head through one of the valve cover bolts (some ppl attach that ground to the actual valve cover, that is wrong, it has to attach to the head it self. no need to ground the valve cover since its isolated from the motor by gaskets all around it)

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the timing is dead on! and iknow the firing order! imma check the injectors for some reason i have a feeling that they arnt priming! and im going to re check grounds and im going to add some grounds and see whats going on! thanks guys
pull up spark plug, after cranking for so much u should have hell of a gas on it, also u can take a Voltmeter or 12 vold LED (not 12 light bulb) and put it on the terminals of each injector and crank to see if u get 12v pulses

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try jumpstarting it?
? not sure about that body, i think u will have more luck performing a CPR in this situation
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 12:40 PM
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Whats the compression on the cylinders??
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 01:23 PM
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qazaq, his car is obd2. 99 Integra with usdm p73 ecu. I was asking if he addressed the crank sensor issue since only the block is obd1.
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 01:39 PM
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cylinder compresion!

4 3 2 1
230 240 230 215


its geting fuel and its spraying! and i regaped plugs to .40 which they were at.30

i added more grounds!

and i re did the timming! its dead on now! the car cranks and doesnt start!

and its a obd1 ls bock b18a1 jdm p72 gsr head and im obd2 using a p73 its a 99 gs integra 5spd!

anyone have anymore ideas?
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 02:17 PM
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the car should start even with out a ckp sensor.
try to swap the distributor.i know you said there is spark, but ive ran into sevral cars that there were spark and car didnt start, it would be intermittent. with the kv probe.
try to use youre old gs one it wont bolt up correctly but you can still use it.
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 02:35 PM
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Default Re: ls vtec not starting for the first time since rebuild!

ok i looked for spark! now i have no spark! i tried a known working obd2 p72 gsr ecu and car still had no spark! so im trying a new dizzy known working on my buddies car! so wish me luck and lets see if it was the dizzy!
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 03:33 PM
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Default Re: ls vtec not starting for the first time since rebuild!

ok everyone! it was the dizzy! it started right up! i got a lil leak from headgasket on the front tranny side;( damn lsvtec's i even bought the damn full golden eagle kit oh well i gota figure out what to do! but other then that for its frist start up and my frist b sereis engine build EVER! it purred and sounded ****ing sweet! thanks everyone for ur help!
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 04:25 PM
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ssounds good yea that fooled me a couple of times. ls vtec alway leak in that cornor.well hope you have fun with it. more builds to come...
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 04:53 PM
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Default Re: ls vtec not starting for the first time since rebuild!

My LS/Vtec doesn't leak there, but I used a cometic gasket. Don't know how much that would have helped though.
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 05:01 PM
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ya i guess imm ahave to take off the head AGAIN ugh!! and put some honda bond and some cooper spray on the headgasket and reintsall it all and see what happens! damn lsvtec's lol but hey when it operates right.. they are a pretty powerful motor and have some fun with them lol! thanks everyone for ur help!
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 05:09 PM
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no dont use the copper spary for the headgasket or honda bond replace the gasket and use arp studs
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bigislandc2
no dont use the copper spary for the headgasket or honda bond replace the gasket and use arp studs
X2. Make sure you use proper torque specs too.
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 05:25 PM
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Did you have both the head and the block checked for flatness?
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 10:59 PM
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Default Re: ls vtec not starting for the first time since rebuild!

i have arp head studs and they are to specs and i had the whole block redone from the machine shop! it was even lazer decked for flatness! and i used the GE ls/vtec full kit with headgasket and all!

i was told lsvtecs leak on all 4 corners tthat i shoulda used honda bond and cooper spray stuff!

anymore feedback on this?
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Old Sep 22, 2009 | 09:52 PM
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they shouldnt leak at all but i have heard the right corner leaks alot
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Old Sep 23, 2009 | 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 89sihatchls
they shouldnt leak at all but i have heard the right corner leaks alot
never heard about that... if both surfaces head/block are good then if everything done right u shouldnt have any leaks. and don't use any products on used headgasket, throw it away and get a new one. i used CNSAutoParts gaskets many times and never had any problems adn they are only like $25

also, how do u know it's the headgasket? what/where is the leak?

i recently had problem with the car not starting and problem was the dizzy, even tho it only ran for few weeks after i bought it brand new. who would'v thought new dizzy would fail that fast.
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