i hav a 94 eg hatch with a 93 jdm h22 motor with a injen cai, cheap *** obx headers, and a spoon exhaust. with a newer 97-01 m2y4 tranny with a competition stage 2 clutch kit. just for your info its my first car. on to the story, everytime i hav a long trip, or race the car, i notice when im at a light or something; that my motor is idleing wierd..it sounds like i hav an upgraded cam when i dont. anyways, i figured out it was my ecu..idk if it was the spoon chip or what..the guy already had the ecu in the car when i bought it. so idk if its real spoon or what, or if spoon even chips ecus. i have a usdm p72 gsr ecu laying around so i was just wandering if there is any loss of power?? thanks

 

The ONLY stock ecu that will run your motor is the P13. With that said, the P72 can be chipped to run the H22, but do not try to run it on an unmodified P72.

 

really?? i didnt know that. i have a friend that is 30 years old, and started working with hondas since he was 13, and he told me it would be just fine. for the hell of it we had a stock 97 civic hx and took it to the track and if i remember correctly it ran an 18.4 or somewhere near there..we put in a b16 ecu nd it ran around the same time, then we put a gsr nd it ran a 17.9. hard to remember it was a couple year ago. anyways, my point is since he switched out the d series ecu for a b series..i figured you could do the same to the h series motors. but i dont know..i was just curious if there was gonna be a loss of performance. thanks for the input.

 

THe P72 will run a stock H22 OK, but it is not gonna be as good as a P13. I have had both and the P13 is better and safer for the H22. If you are gonna use something to tune it with like Hondata, the P72 is a good choice. Now you will also hear (tune it with a VAFC) thats not very good either because the P72 has timing set for the B18 engine. You cannot adjust timing on a simple VAFC. I tried that route as well. My current setup is running a P13 and it is the best. Get ready for alot of different opinions about this topic.

 

You could use a chipped computer that has a h22 program in it. stay away from all the "name brand" chips, they are all trash.
I have sold many p28's or equiv for about 100 bucks with H series programs. keep that in mind, dont spend more then 140$ for a chipped ecu.

Apex is correct, a p72 will run it, but not very well. A vafc is always a shitty option in my opinion, its not just the timing deal, but you cant adjust timing and fuel independently. thus why piggy backs suck on Hondas with that MAP.

there should not be many opnions on this. its simple, the p72 is not for the H series, unless chipped with a H series basemap.

 

today was the first day i've ran the car with the p72 in it, and it seems to run slower. i could have it curising in third at 40..floor it and the vtec would put u back in your seat. didnt happen with the p72..but i still chirped third. i have also found out that my p13 spoon ecu is authentic surprisingly. which brings me to my next question. i want to put a jrsc on it and put a hondata, and tune it. i have heard that the p13 wont work with hondata..and that p72 with hondata is the way to go. so would i still want to use the spoon p13 ecu, or the hondata tuned p72?? im trying to make my car as fast as possible while not trying to spend the money to figure it out by myself (poor college student..lol)

 

I would stick with Hondata S300, well thats what i have anyways and love it.

 

NO! stay away from spoon crap.
"put you back in your seat"?
Fail! you dont want your vtec to kick, your butt dyno lies.
VTEC is ment to carry the tq curve, kicks mean a spike, spike is fail. smooth vtec is key.
**** Hondata, that company should be boycotted. use Ectune, Uberdata or somthing, dont support Hondata. get a chipped ecu, p72 if you wan tto keep your IABs, get your JRSC then tune with what the tuner has, ie ECtune or somthing.
Done!

Dont listen to your butt dyno, EVER!

 

...care to elaborate? Hondata is questionably the most renown aftermarket tuning program for hondas. It's been used successfully in hundreds of thousands of cars... sort of a shotgun comment.

 

I said nothing about the product. read it again.
The editor is great yes, i will not argue that. The company however is not. I refuse to tune any cars with Hondata, I dont care how good the editor is, there are plenty of other great if not better editors. I have explained why hondata is currupt plenty of times. its on the tuners to boycott, not the consumers.

 

If you pull the cover off the ecu it should be easy to tell whether or not it's running the base P72 rom. If it has been chipped, then you can put in a known chip, or read off the existing chip to see what program it is. btw, I share that opinion of hondata...

 

sure...i understand what you're saying. i just havent really heard anyone **** on the company or whatever. i've had good dealings with hondata in the past--as a consumer, user, and (i use the term extremely liberally) tuner myself. i'm not surprised to hear that they have their pitfalls, as there are consumers on both sides of the fence with most companies. i havent read a discussion of pros/cons for Hondata...can you link me to one of your (or others...) posts?

i'm somewhat of a loyalist to some companies yet completely avoid others (i detest wal-mart...i mean, i really f**ucking hate wal-mart...). so i'd definitely like to hear both sides before i kick the money to upgrade to the S300.

 

to be real brief...

Hondata stole / hacked whatever you wanna call it, information from Honda. they capitalized with this stolen (or as they call it, "their intellectual property") over charged product. When someone hacked their stolen or said "intellectual property" and tried to share it, hondata flipped out and started suing important people that advocated the K series development. Its all on the PGMFI forum. I’m sure someone will not like what or how I said it and will flame this. F_U in advance. your a douche if you think Hondata was in the right. on a final note http://forum.pgmfi.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=15819
Dave was too nice.

Hondata is a Bully! and Greedy

 

i see...did a little more research than that and understand the argument. i've never met dave but understand that he's a great guy--really fair. and he's an ohio guy nonetheless. i'll have to weigh alternatives with they guy tuning my car.

 

buy my p72 it ready to go!!!!!

 

just run that chipped ecu but get a tune on crome its cheap and your car will run so much better
i have neptune but i had crome and that ran great in my car

 

THC07 whats wrong with spoon?? just wandering?? it does have a smooth vtec..its just when im in 3rd or a higher gear at crusing or at low mph that u feel it engage..vtec hits hard in 3rd though. and its an h22 on a hatch, so i thought thats what it was supposed to do. never said it spikes. just stated the differences i noticed between the ecus. haha "butt dyno" thats funny. thanks for all the inputs. yeah, and now im thinking twice about hondata.

 

spoon, mugen, jun, its not gonna matter, they are from builds that are far from anything you have, and if you did have, then you would have to tune. all that ignition advance and fuel is not helping anything. stock internals deserve a tune or stock ecu. a pretune is not always a bad idea, in most cases its better then stock and always better then a name brand program.

Hondata, skunk2 stage 2 turbo cams, vafc's have always been on my **** list.