What do you guys think about the suspension?

Has anyone used it and actually like it?

 

If it looks like F2, it probably lasts like F2.

http://www.bwrusa.com/ProductDetails...ctCode=SS-HD02
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BWR-S...Q5fAccessories

 

Looks like rebadged Skunk2/Blox stuff all over their site.

 

Those guys actually post here somewhere. That person also said that he has a 3 year warranty.

 

thanks for the info....

 

thanks for your interest in our coilovers. We have spent countless hours of research and devolpment in manufacturing our products. BWR stands beind our quality and durability of our parts. There is a 3 year complete warranty on the coilover kits.With the comment about being a rebadged skunk2/blox product that is false, we manufacture all of our own products and we either laser engrave our logos or have them cnc engraved into the parts.if you have any further questions or for a dealer near you please send me a pm.
-technical support-

 

BWRSUPPORT, post shock dynos.

Why 560/336 rates for an EK? Seems too stiff up front for a street car, and too soft in the rear for any performance use. Target audience is slammed car driving hard parkers?

From http://www.bwrusa.com/ProductDetails...ctCode=SS-HD02
This is just flat out incorrect. Changing spring perch height doesn't at all induce coil spring binding.

 

The SS-series coilovers are designed to be for a street driven car and to have a comfortable yet performance minded ride quality and mild track use.We are in the process of designing our GT-Series which will be our full on race coilover kit which thats adjustable dampening and has higher spring rates.

And with the spring rate of 10k for the front being to stiff,this is to accomodate the weight of a B or K swap which the majority of our customers have who run this suspension.And 6k being to soft for the rear i would have to disagree with for a street driven car because anything higher would make a real stiff and bouncy ride.

And finally the statement about changing the ride height... with other entry level coilovers you are required to adjust the ride height by adjusting the perch height and by lowering the perch you are reducing the amount of supension travel which will cause bottoming out and induce binding.Therefore making my statement true.
thanks -bwr support-

 

Sounds good so far. Always good to state the goal of a product.

Interestingly, my DC2 manages the weight of its B engine just fine with 400 lbs/in front springs (7kg/mm) and flushed tires, and weights a bit more than most B swapped Civics (2,815 lbs with driver).

Sounds like a confirmation to my assumption of the target audience masquerading as marketing speak to me.

Higher rates will certainly make it stiffer. However, bouncy is a description of an underdamped suspension.

So, the shock itself can't adequately control a higher spring rate. No issue there, they all have a range of rates they can control.

Yes, lowering by changing spring perch location can reduce the total amount of available suspension travel.

But, it still does not change how compressed the spring is, which would need to change to induce coil bind. The spring is left exactly the same, just with a different mounting height. Coil bind will still be experienced with the exact same amount of compression travel as before. In fact, since shock bottoming is more likely with a lower spring perch (and less available shock compression travel), the chances of coil bind are actually reduced.

So, its still wrong. I never questioned its reduction in compression travel, just the statement concerning coil bind.

No reply at all to the request for a shock dyno? We have a stickied thread for them in this forum. Just add them to the last page of that thread.

 

i'm with noob on most of this. if you guys want to have people buying you really need to floow the lead of PIC. their dynos, support and actually paying attention to what rates work is why people buy them. also, 10k-6k is going to understeer pretty easy on a stockish dc2. my own car is 9k-8k and still has a hint of understeer at the limit.

 

If you manufacture all of your own products, can you please post pictures of your machining facility or processes?

 

I love this forum...so many of us are "show proof or GTFO"

 

basically. the end of the rice days didn't just happen because of style. it was also parts quality. when people realized all this crap they spent money on was just junk buying quality and the return of the oem phase began.

 

or perhaps they can provide with an address in which we can visit (yeah right)

 

 

Wow those spring rates suck. You'd be better off switching the front to back.

 

Actually dip ****, we are located at

819 North 49th Street #106
Seattle, WA 98103-6517

I am tired of your crap, and I know who you are.

Your posting the picture of my house, which I have not lived in for many years. Also does this look like a corn silo you idiot. I called you out last week, and not only did you not come by, you didn't even call. Your not even from Portland. Get off this site fool, I've been a member here for over 10 years, everyone knows I am legit.

My office ain't in no corn silo. Do you think anyone gives a rats *** that I started my business from home? Hell no! Get over yourself.




Hey guys, check out my house that I lived in for over 15 years!! I had to mow a lot of that, but after leaving home the blackberries took over the orchard, and it really got out of hand. My parents sold the place and have retired. It was actuall rezoned light industrial about 15 years ago. That's where I grew up, and where my first business was started. Been doing this for over 10 years now, and I've definately gotten out of there and have grown into the company we are today. I started my first company with the help of my parents in that house. I hope all my customers is well, and now you get a glimpse of my humble beginnings. We are a hard working filipino owned family business. My family and friends have been huge supporters of my business, thanks for posting the picture up, but get your facts straight. Everyone starts from somewhere. Bill Gates started in a garage pal, this is the USA, open your eyes!!!

You man enough to put your money where your mouth is? Actually why don't you PM me your name and address and I will come meet you pal. Made in China my ***. You don't know jack ****, and you have only come here to bad mouth companies you know very little about. You don't even live in Portland, if you do what's stopping you from coming by? huh? Exactly. Woud you like to go to court, and settle this matter since you think your right? PLEASE PLEASE I BEG YOU TO COME BY, I will even come pick you up and drive you to Seattle, and show you my place. PLEASE PLEASE, if not shut the hell up!!! First you know I am right, second your not even from here, third you know I will prove you wrong, if not then you have nothing to loose to come and meet up with me, and/or make an appoitment and come by my place. Would you like me to show you my corn silo?


Stop talking crap to the members on here. Your just here to start drama. You don't belong here pal, and your stuff is getting old.

 

It's very difficult for small companies to do this, and most shocks and coilovers are manufactured in a very limited number of locations in Taiwan, India and China.

If you manufacture your own products, and you are using that comment as a part of your marketing ploy, then it would be a good idea to tell people more about this process.

It would be entirely understandable for someone to buy parts from the companies who would normally manufacture these products overseas, and then assemble the products in the United States or Canada in order to ensure better quality control than they might have normally experienced in China, India or Taiwan if these big manufacturers are able to completely finish the product.

Whatever it is that you're doing, you might want to be more open about it in order to allay fears on the part of your readers that you are hiding something.

There's no shame in where the parts are made. Even Honda and Acura (Showa), Mugen (Showa) and Spoon (Showa) all manufacture parts outside Japan, at these same big manufacturers in Taiwan, India and China.

 

Ok first i would like to retract my satement of us "manufacturing" our coilovers.Yes our shocks are sourced from a manufacturer in Thaiwan.However we do the research and development,the complete assembly,packaging and quaility inspection of all products here in our facility in the United States of America.
As long as everything goes to plan we will have pictures and video of our actual coilover kits on a shock dyno here in the U.S. with the results by next week which i will post on here for everyone to see.

 

At least spell the name of the country where your **** is manufactured correctly. You'd think that if you had such a close relationship with all those "countless hours of research and development in manufacturing" that you would at least be able to get that right.

 

Dave i appreciate you correcting me it is "Taiwan".just typing too fast. oops
thanks - bwr support-

 

I think that everybody will appreciate this openness.

Lots of people do what you do, and the quality control is still in your hands. From Omnipower at the low end to Mugen at the high end, they're all doing the same thing.

 

It takes guts to step up and admit you were wrong. I await some plots from you and hope everyone else will do the same without questioning your motives further.

 

i didnt think it was going to get this serious in here...

 

me either, i even had a map of tawian posted in jest about BWR 'till George Knighton decided to delete it out of the thread.