In the market for a good performance shifter (note: I did not say SHORT THROW ). While looking around and talking to people I came across something I had heard of before but never really understood, the question I guess is three fold:

1. Why would a weighted shifter be better/worse than a stock/lighter shifter?? Is the stock ITR shifter/shift linkage weighted in anyway??

2. I have seen shifters weighted on the top and weighted on the bottom; which is better or does it really matter- B&M claims thiers to be "counterbalanced" on the bottom, whats the deal there??

3. If a weighted shifter is in fact better, would I be better off just getting a heavier shift **** and keeping the stock ITR shifter??

links to any websites, articles, or pictures would give you bonus points here

later

matt

 

board moves way too fast.... anyone with ideas??

later

matt

 

Stick with the stock shifter and just get some ES shifter bushings.

 

honda says that the mass added from the Ti shiftknob helps shifting.

 

yes, but how (smoother, more precise, less effort... what??)

later

matt

 

still looking for an answer.... ttt with it!!!

later

matt

 

I would think that the weight would help you shift because of momentum. I wonder if Honda wanted a heavy shifter why would they choose titanium ****?

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[Modified by Stumpy, 9:30 PM 8/29/2002]

 

I think the shift **** is weighted to help cancel out vibration, and help the easyness of the shift...think physics??? The farther the weight is away from the end
of the pivot location the greater the weight will effect the swing...
It also helped a vibration I had in my civic when i installed the itr weighted titanium
****...the old momo just buzzed away even after I tried some dynomat on my
change rod extension.

 

The word is 'balance'.

 

A heavier **** just makes it feel easier to get it in gear, kind of smoother. If you're not looking for a shorter throw you should stick with the stock shifter and cheap *** ES bushings. They make a big difference. Don't **** with the stock **** IMO.

 

good word... I am wondering what is has to do with how I shift? The lever (i.e. shifter) is controlled on both sides; one by the shift linkage, and the other by yours truly... where does balance come into play?? I have seen these new buzz words floating around when talking about performance shifters- counter balance, weighted, etc. Which is better/worse, or is this another snipe hunt... does it really affect performance??

I do, however, agree fully with on the vibration issue. common knowladge tell us that a heavier object will absorb more vibration than the same object in a lighter material. Now on a performance shifter, who cares about comfort?? I just installed a full ES motor mount kit, trust me a little vibration from the shifter is not gonna bother me in the least.

later

matt

 

I ran Nuespeed bushings and a Skunk2 **** for a while.

Bushings:
Shifting was noticably "firmer" border "hard" for my dainty arms after a long days work.

Skunk2 ****:
Freezing in the winter, burning in the summer (kind of like my Spoon **** now). The weight certainly is a great feeling. The gears seem to just engage easier.

Spoon **** (now)
Go with the Duracon (black) **** to avoid the burning/freezing. This thing is very light, and very small. It's better than the stock GS-R **** so I'm gonna stick with it.

 

I have the ES bushings in now, love the precision.

I can deal with the temp differences, the ITR is not my daily driver. You say here that you like the feeling of a weighted ****

Why did you go with a lighter shift ****?? Did you notice any difference in shifting? was it simply the isssue of how hot/cold it got??

thanks for the input.

later

matt

 

Honestly I just wanted to try something new. THat's why I tried the Spoon ****. If I could choose between the two it would be a tough call.

I'd say give the Skunk2 **** a try and see how you like it. It takes a little getting used to...I'll try to find a Skunk2 **** for cheap and compare the two ***** side-by-side.

 

keep me updated!!

later

matt

 

When I bought my CW, it had a B+M short shifter in it. I am not too familiar with B+M short shifters, but I can tell you this one was terrible. It not only placed the shift **** farther forward, it vibrated beyond belief. I have to guess that it was the wrong short shifter for the R, as it was THAT bad. Also, the B+M has a larger thread size, that only excepts B+M shift ***** (or so I was told). I found this out when I tried to replace the **** it came with, with the Ti ****. Needless to say, I replaced the short shifter as fast as possible, as the vibration was unbearable. Yes, it was that loud. Anyway, I went with the DC Sports short shifter, as that is what I have in my Civic, and love everything about it. DC Short Shifter + Ti ****
BTW, I have the Skunk 2 weighted **** in my Civic. It is nice and smooth, with shifting seeming to be a bit quicker, but I am partial to the ITR ****

 

yeah I've been rather wary of short shifters....I haven't read up on their designs to see which one I'd go with.

BTW on the actual shift linkage....Spoon says:

"When this shift-linkage bush is installed, it will be possible to realize a more-solid operational feel and a stiffer gearshift action, and this increased quality of operation will be sensed upon each individual operation of the gearshift lever.
*Furthermore, in situations where the travel distance is over 50,000-60,000 km, it is recommended that a reinforced gearshift rod be also used to replace the standard part at this time.*"

heh translations at their best

 

I remember waching a video of some sort where Spoon redoes a ITR for a customer... all they do is put new engine mounts, something else (I cannot remember what for the life of me now) and a new shift linkage... not the bushings, but the whole thing- that has always made me wonder why they would do that, I mean it is a hollow rod, how much wear and tear can ther be on it?? I hate to get off topic in this thread but if anyone can answer that one you will have solved a great mystery of mine for some time. Sometimes I wish I could speak jap. just to understand what they are saying!!!

later

matt


[Modified by champITR, 10:26 AM 9/1/2002]

 

does anyone know if shortshifters can cause transmission damadge?

 

Aren't weighted shift ***** huge in JDM-land? Every tuner seems to have a super heavy ****, and they always list the weight (more grams the better). Even Skunk lists the weight of thier shift ****.

So I would think a heavier shift **** affects the shift performance/feel by changing the balance (probably making shifting easier and more solid).

Something else intersting I saw the other day on Greddy's site (http://www.greddy.com/products/accessories_frame.htm)

They list new "Counter-Weight Shift *****", that "being twice as heavy as most conventional shift *****, allows for an easier lighter touch for shifts and a more precise shifting feel."

The wierd thing is that they ALSO offer "Super Light Shift *****" right below that! So if shifting feel is improved with the super heavy ****, does it become WORSE with their super light ****? Doesn't make much sense...

- Slater

 

User imput causes transmission damage.

 

Amen to that.... loose nut behind the wheel causes 90% of mech. failure.

later

matt

 

Are the Skunk2's "Weighted" or " balanced"? Or are they just heavy?
If they are weighted or balanced wouldn't the nut throw it off?

I have been thinking about getting the Skunk2 short throw and ****?

 

they only say they are weighted... B&M makes the claim of counterbalance.

later

matt

 

whatever you do dont get a solo shifter, they suck bad.