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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 06:56 AM
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Default Advantage of ITR RLCA vs. GSR RLCA

I know the difference is in the style of shock that it uses, but is there an advantage to use the ITR vs GSR ( beside the baller status aspect). The reason i ask is next year prob i will be going 5 lug with a Koni/GC setup and trying to figure out to keep my current arms or get some ITR ones. This will be going on to a 93 DX hatch. TIA
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 07:03 AM
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Default Re: Advantage of ITR RLCA vs. GSR RLCA

oem units have small weight difference.
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 11:09 AM
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no real difference. geometry is the same.

all civics and integras in japan use the same type of control arms. not just ITR. just odd that the ITR used the JDM arms when it came to america.
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 11:41 AM
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Default Re: Advantage of ITR RLCA vs. GSR RLCA

Weight.
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 12:44 PM
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Default Re: Advantage of ITR RLCA vs. GSR RLCA

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Weight.
? are you seriously trying to tell people this? they are virtually the same piece
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 07:55 PM
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Default Re: Advantage of ITR RLCA vs. GSR RLCA

I wonder if its easier to take off a shock to press out the bushing as compared to lowering the whole arm?
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 08:40 PM
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Default Re: Advantage of ITR RLCA vs. GSR RLCA

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? are you seriously trying to tell people this? they are virtually the same piece
no they arent. gsr is cast and itr is stamped.
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 09:01 PM
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Default Re: Advantage of ITR RLCA vs. GSR RLCA

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no they arent. gsr is cast and itr is stamped.
? i have a gsr shell and the rear trailing arms are stamped
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 09:14 PM
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Default Re: Advantage of ITR RLCA vs. GSR RLCA

lol. yes you are correct. but his question is about the control arms. lol. long day at work huh??
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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 04:35 AM
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Default Re: Advantage of ITR RLCA vs. GSR RLCA

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? i have a gsr shell and the rear trailing arms are stamped
Then it does not have the LCA's it came with. ALL USDM Integra, except ITR's had heavy cast rear lower LCA's.
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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 07:47 AM
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Default Re: Advantage of ITR RLCA vs. GSR RLCA

Originally Posted by idrivesideways
? are you seriously trying to tell people this?

Yes I am.

ITR stamped:



GSR cast:

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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 08:52 AM
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Default Re: Advantage of ITR RLCA vs. GSR RLCA

So basicly there really isnt a difference between the two arms beside weight and the "baller" status.

The weight issue would be mute if you went aftermarket, b/c the ITR arms will require more material than the GSR ones.
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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 09:21 AM
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Default Re: Advantage of ITR RLCA vs. GSR RLCA

Keep in mind that some of the nicer shock/coilover assemblies made for DC2's are made for the Type R and therefore require the DC2 arms.

If you're looking at something that isn't Type R specific then there's no real benefit on searching out ITR arms.
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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 11:37 AM
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Default Re: Advantage of ITR RLCA vs. GSR RLCA

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Yes I am.

ITR stamped:



GSR cast:

you have rear control arms pictured, not trailing

maybe i mis read this. i thought we were talking about trailing arms, then i re read and it's control arms.

if this is about control arms. it's hard to imagine why someone would change their setup up for such a small drop in weight. using something like a skunk 2 arms moves you to aluminum and doesn't make you buy new rear shocks. what i'd REALLY love to know is why the aftermarket doesn't make a tubular chromoly or at least forged aluminum front control arm. those front control arms are frigin heavy
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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 12:07 PM
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Default Re: Advantage of ITR RLCA vs. GSR RLCA

yes the title states rlca. rear lower control arm. the post states he is going 5 lug and he wanted to know if there is any advantage.

really it would be cheaper to just use the suspension you have now. assuming you like it and keep that setup then use the likewise arms.
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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 01:05 PM
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Default Re: Advantage of ITR RLCA vs. GSR RLCA

Originally Posted by idrivesideways
you have rear control arms pictured, not trailing
That's what this thread is about.


Originally Posted by idrivesideways
what i'd REALLY love to know is why the aftermarket doesn't make a tubular chromoly or at least forged aluminum front control arm. those front control arms are frigin heavy
Omni Power makes a front half billet LCA and Function 7 is currently crash-testing prototypes of an entire front LCA from what their previous posts state.

Here's the weight differences in the two-piece versus the one-piece arms since you mentioned how heavy they are.

Two piece cast:



One piece stamped:

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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 01:05 PM
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Default Re: Advantage of ITR RLCA vs. GSR RLCA

yeah i like my setup as it is (arm wise) it was just a question i had, Im running Megan Racing rears right now.
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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 01:10 PM
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Default Re: Advantage of ITR RLCA vs. GSR RLCA

the problem with the pressed fronts is that you cant run traction bars.
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Default Re: Advantage of ITR RLCA vs. GSR RLCA

Originally Posted by HatchVX
the problem with the pressed fronts is that you cant run traction bars.
uhhhh. wrong thread??
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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 05:56 PM
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Default Re: Advantage of ITR RLCA vs. GSR RLCA

Originally Posted by phunhaus
Yes I am.

ITR stamped:



GSR cast:

Factor in the difference of the shock bushing and the weight difference is really minimal and just not worth mentioning.

But thanks for showing pics to prove that.
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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 07:16 PM
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Default Re: Advantage of ITR RLCA vs. GSR RLCA

Originally Posted by phunhaus
That's what this thread is about.




Omni Power makes a front half billet LCA and Function 7 is currently crash-testing prototypes of an entire front LCA from what their previous posts state.

Here's the weight differences in the two-piece versus the one-piece arms since you mentioned how heavy they are.

Two piece cast:



One piece stamped:


hmm still not worth the money for so little savings. well, unless it's a max effort car that's been shaved everywhere else. it wouldn't be too hard to fab some out of 4130 chromoly tubing. the only issue is selling them since you would have higher costs due to labor, jig construction and supplies. time consuming to make but i bet you could get the weight down to 5-7lbs per side. you could also design them to add a degree or two of caster and use off the shelf energy bushings.
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Old Sep 12, 2009 | 01:55 PM
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Default Re: Advantage of ITR RLCA vs. GSR RLCA

Originally Posted by Egezzy
uhhhh. wrong thread??
Yeah i know, I was the one who started it, but he posted pic of Front LCA and i was stating my opinion on them
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Old Sep 12, 2009 | 02:55 PM
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ok just making sure. there is a traction bar thread in here too so...

but just to clarify the itr units are the best for burnouts! wuuuuuuwhoooooo!
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Old Sep 17, 2009 | 06:02 PM
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Default Re: Advantage of ITR RLCA vs. GSR RLCA

Originally Posted by HatchVX
I know the difference is in the style of shock that it uses, but is there an advantage to use the ITR vs GSR ( beside the baller status aspect). The reason i ask is next year prob i will be going 5 lug with a Koni/GC setup and trying to figure out to keep my current arms or get some ITR ones. This will be going on to a 93 DX hatch. TIA
Actually, there's not much of a difference with the OEM Honda LCA's.

However when customers ask about our LCA's we usually recommend our billet "GSR version" because they are lighter (under 2 lbs a side, weighed with bushings) and stiffer than the billet "ITR version", resulting in better overall suspension dynamics.

The other advantage is cost. The standard fork-style shocks are usually cheaper than the eye-style ITR shocks.

-A
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