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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 06:29 PM
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I have a question about a build i'm planning on here soon and i need some advice. Here is a basic run down of the build. Would you do anything differently?

Block:
82 x 89
Ls crank lightened and balanced
B18C1 block with oem girdle
Wiseco 12:5:1 high comp forged pistons
Eagle h-beam rods
ARP bolts
ACL race bearings
Itr oil and water pump
GE block guard
Toda timing belt

Head:
B16A2 base
ARP headstuds
Buddy Club Spec 4 cams
Ferrea Valvetrain with .5 mm over sized valves
Rmf header
JG performer x intake mani
RC 370cc injectors
AEM fuel rail
AEM fuel reg
AEM fuel filter
Walbro 255
3" intake
65 mm throttle body
Skunk2 6 bolt cam gears

Misc:
Hasport solid motor mounts
ACT STAGE 1 clutch disk
ACT light weight fly wheel
new oem pressure plate
B16 tranny

It's going to be obd1 tuned on E85 and the s300.

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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 06:44 PM
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get rid of the act clutch go with a exedy stage 2
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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ek9poormanr
get rid of the act clutch go with a exedy stage 2
Reason? I'm getting a feeling your bias towards exedy but i'm ready to hear ya out.
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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ek9poormanr
get rid of the act clutch go with a exedy stage 2
uh no

i have had nothing but bad experiences with anything but the exedy twin disx.

the act HDSS is a great clutch.
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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 07:03 PM
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i would go 68-70mm TB
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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by killerpenguin21
uh no

i have had nothing but bad experiences with anything but the exedy twin disx.

the act HDSS is a great clutch.
Good to hear input like this. I think i am going to stay with ACT. The vehicle will be mainly a weekend warrior tearing up the streets of my city
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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by h22bb1
i would go 68-70mm TB
I think i'm going to go with a 65 tapered to 68.
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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 07:15 PM
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why do you have oversized valves?

and which intake manifold are you using, a performer x with a professional products 68mm (i believe they are tapered) would work quite well.
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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by killerpenguin21
why do you have oversized valves?

and which intake manifold are you using, a performer x with a professional products 68mm (i believe they are tapered) would work quite well.
About the valves, more air = more power and i got a hell of a deal on the valvetrain. Yeah it's the performer x, i currently have an oem itr tb that i am going to sending to maxbore on thursday.

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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by crazydominicanman
About the valves, more air = more power
well...no. without properly working the valve seat and redoing the chambers, oversize valves will only serve to hinder flow.

you also have a fairly large cam that will need decent adjustment on the dyno, and by having oversized valves you are limiting the clearance you have at high lift, thereby limiting your adjustment range, and further limiting the ability to maximize your power.

even further, it isnt a great idea to rev large valves very high, because again with the tighter clearances you increase the chance of hooking.

have you checked your valve to valve clearances yet?
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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 07:48 PM
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Get a professionaly products t.b 68mm for about 175 best bang for the buck.I had alot of probs with act and i switched to exedy and centerforce and love them idk just a builders prefrence.
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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 07:50 PM
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I would def check v2v clearence and degree this motor.Better safe then sorry just like killer said your limiting your ability on maximum power of your engine.
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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ek9poormanr
Get a professionaly products t.b 68mm for about 175 best bang for the buck.I had alot of probs with act and i switched to exedy and centerforce and love them idk just a builders prefrence.
where are you seeing the pof prods tb for that much? vsracing.net has em for 150.

also, make sure you lay an intake gasket over that manifold and check it, they used to be off a bit sometimes, along with making sure you port match it to the tb.
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Old Aug 25, 2009 | 08:24 PM
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Locally in town they range from 160 to 175 still cheaper then a skunk2 or a billet t.b thats going to give you hell to idle.
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Old Aug 26, 2009 | 02:57 AM
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The head will eventually be pnp'd and I do plan on port matching the I'm to the tb
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Old Aug 26, 2009 | 09:17 AM
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What I would do:

Port the head, mill the head to get your CR up to 13.5, ditch the oversized valves and get some aggressive cams w/ cam gears so you can degree them in. Sell your injectors for some 550's and run e85.

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Old Aug 26, 2009 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by kabaroo
What I would do:

Port the head, mill the head to get your CR up to 13.5, ditch the oversized valves and get some aggressive cams w/ cam gears so you can degree them in. Sell your injectors for some 550's and run e85.
I will eventually do some head work. The buddy club stage 4's are pretty agressive but i MAY look into some stage 5's and yes i am going to be running e85.
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Old Aug 26, 2009 | 03:03 PM
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uh...bad idea

you dont want a bigger cam, you already wont be able to maximize the stage 4's most likely.

and btw...my 1.8 made more/equal power than a local 2.0 with the stage 4's. the skunk2 pro series cams are much better in my opinion.
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Old Aug 26, 2009 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by killerpenguin21
uh...bad idea

you dont want a bigger cam, you already wont be able to maximize the stage 4's most likely.

and btw...my 1.8 made more/equal power than a local 2.0 with the stage 4's. the skunk2 pro series cams are much better in my opinion.
Well the stage 5's say you need at least 12:5 so i figure stage 4's are ok.
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Old Sep 2, 2009 | 03:36 AM
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Anyone else?
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Old Sep 3, 2009 | 10:00 AM
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L.S.D
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Old Sep 3, 2009 | 10:57 AM
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I've ran BC5's, two sets of custom cam profiles, Pro2's and Pro3's. Definately, definately run the Skunk2 Pro line. 20lb-ft of torque more at 3000rpm Pro3 vs BC5.

I would run the Pro2's on your 1.8, ditch the OS valves, get a Greddy belt instead of TODA (just as strong, half the price). The rest of the build looks fairly robust.
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Old Sep 3, 2009 | 01:52 PM
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Bigger injectors is a must with the E85.
All the AEM fuel stuff is not needed, save you money.
I would look into Supertech for your valve train if you decided to not go oversided.
Make sure all you soft fuel lines are changed out to something that can handle E85. Stock Honda lines won't.
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Old Sep 5, 2009 | 07:41 PM
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Thanks for all the advise guys. I'm definately going to look more into the pro 2's..
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Old Sep 5, 2009 | 07:55 PM
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do NOT go oversized valves..
other then that, looks good.
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