i have a 95 gsr motor i was thinking of going all motor and someone suggested i do a b16 head with ctr piston and dual valves springs is this a good build?? is there any higher commpression pistons then ctr ones??? what else could i do ?

 

why a b16 head? you should go to the all motor forum and do some research for a good running all motor setup. https://honda-tech.com/forums/acura-integra-6/end-all-flow-chart-comparison-between-p72-pr3-heads-1767009/

 

Thats called a Poor Man's Type R. I'm sure there are higher compression pistons, but are going to use this for daily driver setup. By uping the compression, i would think you'll need a very high octane fuel, everytime you need gas.

 

with the gsr head you will be bumping the compression by .2
just use you gsr head and if you want higher compression pistons get forged pistons like arias, je, cp

 

well you use a b16 head with ctr pistons so you dont blow your engine...anyways i plan on this being a daily driven v8 mustang killa thats all i care about i just want to beat mustangs i know its crazy but i HATE with my entire soul those effin cars and i want an all motor teggi to do it ) anyways ill dual valve springs in it,type r cams, chip it for 9k hmmmm what else

 

You won't be able to build an N/A Mustang 'killa' without making an engine that you won't want to drive every day. (Race gas, insane compression, etc...). To get to those numbers, you'll need boost. And plus a full out N/A build can be around the same price as just boosting your stock motor. A healthy stock GSR can take 275-300whp stock with a good tune.

But yeah, check out the All Motor and Forced Induction Forums for more info.

P.S. I DD a GSR with B16 Pistons and Crower Stg 3 Cams(11.7:1 ish compression). It's a fun setup, don't get me wrong, but it is not a V8 killer. I have to run 93 octane, but technically you should be putting premium in a stock GSR anyway.

 

just get some aggressive cams, pistons(ce or je), valve job, port, and you will have beast all motor. My buddy went all motor in a H22 with Bisi moto cams and ferrea valves and so on and made over 300hp all motor and over 500 on bottle. you put down 250 all motor and you will beat 250 boost all day. some will beg to differ....

 

https://honda-tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1767009

 

sounds like you have no idea what you talking about.

 

lmao ^

research like crazy man- get some opinions from guys in your local area
but to daily drive something like that- yeah your gonna need to put 93 for sure at least, or something with more octane if you start bumping up that compression.

a good simple turbo kit on a great tune will make some good numbers, now the choice between N/A or F/I comes into play- gl

 

bore it out, 12:1 cr pistons(streetable), upgraded cams, upgraded valve train, 2.5in exhaust setup, all motor header, and good tune...just like all the other n/a setups in the n/a forum. also, you cant just chip it and rev it to 9k. thats why soo many people blow their motors...they dont research first.

research buddy!

also, definetly a mustang killer. we kill mustangs with b16 swapped hatches all day.

 

ur crazy!!! all u need is around 200hp give or take to beat a mustang

 

your make 175 with that if your lucky....
do reseach, then come back.

 

dont call me ****ing stupid i know what im talking about, and im just going by what the dude said at the shop told me to do IM PRETTY SURE ILL MAKE MORE THAN 175 WITH CTR PISTONS RETARD AND YOU CANT USE CTR PISTONS WITH A GSR HEAD YOU HAVE TO USE A B16 HEAD GOD IM NOT ****ING DUMB

 

I want you to expalin why you must use a b16 head wit ctr pistons? I seen a ls wit ctr pistons and a stock head. Car runs great. We built a gsr wit ctr pistons. It still runs hard. I not callin ya a liar just curious why? My old set up was a ls/v wit 12to1. rods, jdm type r head ported wit springs retainers and flat bottom valves and skunk2 Pro2 cams. It was not a easy car to drive every day cause the need of premium gas and horrible idle. But it was fast all motor.

 

I forgot to add the gsr is bored and usin a ls crank and rods with pro2 cams and a race port. He was puttuin out about 200hp. It takes alot to get all motor above that. But it can be done.

 

All motor is expensive, Thats why i switched to FI

Unless you have the money for a good 200-250whp DD, FI is a simpler, easier way to go for about a $1k less than you would spend on all motor.

 

why go turbo like EVEYONE ELSE??? how sick would it feel knowing you can beat other turbo cars when yours is just n/a im not saying i dont like turbos but i think all motor would just be somethink different and your right its a little more pricy im still makin payments, and ok please correct me if im wrong but the guy at the shop told me a type r is just a b18 block with a b16 head with type r internals he told me i could use itr pistons with mu gsr head but not ctr pistons becuase the gsr heads valve would hit the pistons cuz theyre too domed which would blow it up, so if this guy is wrong please tell me im just going by what he said since hes been building hondas for 9 years now and he told me his setup was the same as mine but he was running an 80 shot on slicks and he made 12s at5,500 elevation too

 

i think your shop got mixed up on what a poor mans type R is. a poor mans type R uses the higher displacement of a non-vtec bottom end with the increaed airflow of a VTEC head to up the HP.
like stated earlier, a gsr head will give u higher compression than a b16 head...so swapping a b16 head on your gsr will make you lose power (not a lot, but still). putting a b16 head on it has NOTHING to do with not blowing your engine.
you can use a gsr block for a poor mans type R, however you need to switch out the crank to increase the displacement.
also you havent mentioned this, but you'll want to get CAI instead of your stock one.
99% sure CTR cams will work in a gsr head (as well as the ctr valvetrain)...even if they dont, just get ITR cams. someone correct me if im wrong but ITR exhaust cam is the same as the CTR and the intake cam has only 3 less duration. the only upside of using a b16 head that i can see is being able to use the ITR intake manifold (but honestly the skunk2 IM is the same thing).

its not hard to beat a stock mustang, they only have 210 HP...and honestly it sounds like your shop is lost in the sauce/trying to rip you off about the whole b16 head thing.
leave your gsr head (get a half-decent port and polish on it to get it up to ITR head level), toss in your cams/ valvetrain, replace the crank with a LS one, get a CAI, 440cc injectors (what RC recomends for 225 hp NA), find some pistons that will get you around 11:1 comp, you can get a chip from phearable or what not that is based off of a vehicle that has already been tuned, however each engine is different so you'll still want to get a tune done, even just a street one on crome.

 

damn those nigs are right! then why would this guy want me to do a b16 head? he told me i would be getting the type r manifold with it but wtf? am i getting ripped?

 

The gsr uses the same valvetrain as the ITR head. If you want to stick with oem cams, Use the CTR/00-01ITR cams. 96-99 ITR Ext. cams have 3 less duration than the CTR.

So with all ***** aside. Read up more and your answers will become more clear to you.

I personally think that a PnP gear head with skunk2 IM, Skunk2 TB port matched, Skunk2 stage1/2 tuner cams, Supertech valve springs, Stock retainers, Ls crank, LS rods, and JDM ITR pistons, along with hondata s300 would be a sick build for a not over the top DD.

 

B16 head out flows gsr head, But only by like 10-20 what ever points it's rated ha.

 

Im running JDM ITR pistons in my ls/vtec, comp. rated at 10:8:1, fun for dd. If u do use ITR or CTR pistons with ls/vtec swap, check the clearnace of the neck of the piston to the LS rod, mine was hitting so had to get it shaved down a lil.

 

I advise not to use CTR pistons, they are just way to big and yield such a high compression.

 

Your not gonna walk on the NEW V8 Mustangs(05+) with only 200whp... Its not gonna happen... Unless you driving a completely gutted CRX or hatch...

The V8 Stangs have 300+hp And are now good for mid 13s stock... Some people will argue even lower than that... Only chance is at the track with slicks...

And dollar for dollar... Boost will own...