Just did the rings, put the head on, everything reconnected, no codes

I got gas and it just keeps turning, but thats it it wont fire up.

Im thinking its flooded?

Any ideas, i couldnt put anything upside down.

 

Just a long shot, but try and put a little oil in each cylinder, that will give you compression by coating the walls with oil for the first time. Just a shot, that usually works to raise compression in engines with poor numbers in the compression check.

-Alex

 

So that will raise the compression and help it to fire?

I puled the plugs out and their soaking wet(Gas), so ill let it sit overnight and then ill try to fire up tomorrow. I think there was just to much gas. But im not entirley sure.

Any one else has anything, welcome to bring it to the table. This thing almost seems wierd.

 

with a new engine rebuild you should kill the fuel and crank it for a while to build up oil pressure and start the ring seating process. if you had fuel being sprayed the whole time you've were cranking it then that might explain what happened. leave the plugs out and let the fuel evaporate. you may even want to put a bit of oil in each cylinder before cranking again tomorrow. just to prevent the slight chance of scoring the cylinder walls since the fuel most likely washed away most of the oil in the ringlands.

 

Okey, i think i understand now. One more thing when you push the pedal to the floor it cuts the fuel rihgt?

 

Still doesnt work. I tried to look for a spark and i couldnt see any. I just had a plug on a wire and there was nothing when i was cranking.

I put everything back in and then pulled the plugs again and they were soaking wet, smells like gas.

Am i just oveflooding? How come there is no spark, everything is plugged in, all the grounds are good, im stuck...

 

Do a compression check on the engine, get back to us with the numbers. I would also suggest making sure your timing is spot on as well.

Good luck,
-Alex

 

Triple posting,

So i had it cranked once. It sort of jumped on it and shut off right away i didnt hit the gas in time to have it running, then nothing again.

So i know its got spark now, looks like just to much gas inside the chambers.

I pulled it all apart and now waiting for gas to evaporate, then ill put a bit oil in there, put the plugs in crank it by hand so i can feel the compression and try again.

 

you need to be in time, sounds like yourrrr offfff. you shouldnt need to touch the gas pedal for your car to start.

you cant just feel for compression, you would need to use a compression guage, and report back with your results from all 4 cyls individually.

 

i dont have the gauge and my buddy can only come by tomorrow with one.

If the rings are fresh there might not even be alot of the compression anyway. The motor isnt broken in or anything yet. Or im thiunking baout this wrong>?

 

You need compression or your car will not run. If your rings were incorrectly installed you could be lacking the compression to actually start.

 

listen to this guy bro he is right good luck

 

in a way yes. thats why i said to crank it over for a bit without fuel to start the seating process. if it now has spark, is in time, and clearly you have fuel, then it should start right up. with there being new engine compression numbers may vary a good bit, but you're just trying to make sure that none of them are reading very low.

 

i was reusing the rings that i had for abour 500 km on the motor. What was happening is that i didnt break in the motor properly, so i ripped it all apart rehoned and used the same parts. Everything is installed correctly

WHen i did started for that split second i put few drops of oil in there and even when spinning by had it felt tight so compression was building up. BUt it only happened once and nothing else is happening now.

THis is very frastuating, i just dont understand what to do, besids going and buying a compression tester, adn then i can feel that there is no copression right now even while im crancking by hand it rotates to easy.

Ive rehoned with 220 and 380, so walls might be to smooth?

 

WHen you say for a bit how long do you mean?

 

around 25-35 seconds.

since you reused rings it's possible that this is why you're having trouble, but i can't say for sure at this point. when you installed the rings did you make sure you had the proper side up for each one? and did you clock the rings properly? did you check ring end gap to see if it was within spec?

400 grit is about right for moly coated iron rings, so 380 should be ok. while honing did you get the cross-hatching to about a 45 degree angle, and did you keep the tool adequately lubricated?



you don't have to buy a compression tester. advance auto or autozone should be able to rent you one.

 

For future reference, I would never and I do stress NEVER reuse piston rings. I don't care if the car ran for just 5 minutes before a teardown, I would never reuse them and expect good results. 500 km is ~310 miles and in some methods, more than enough to break in an engine. Those rings may just be too far gone to be reused. I don't mean to be the bearer of bad news but, when you get those compression numbers, I wouldn't be suprised if they told the tale.

-Alex

 

Compression is 0. Seems that there isnt anything at all, its just flying right pass to the crankcase.

I know abotu the rings, i just spent entire summer on this car and still cant even get it to run, its so frastuating.





I honed about 45 degrees, so it should be fine i think. I got a tester, in canada we dont have autozone or the other store u mentioned. Anywyas, compression is 0 all 4.

But i thik something is off, because even if the rings are so far gone they wont do me any good, there should be at least soome sompression showing, And there is nothing.

Now, it doesnt even looks like in getting any spark either, i pulled one plug, placed it in the wire and there was nothing at all.

THis is really frastuating, i dont know what to look for anymore.

m-

 

Cool down and just redo it Misha, learning experience brother. A lot involved in doing rings. GL buddy!

 

even if the rings were not sealing the best due to being reused, it seems extremely unlikely that you'd have 0 compression on all four cylinders. so either the test was somehow performed improperly, or more likely your timing is off. if the valves are not closing at the right time it will read like you have 0 psi of compression.

for the spark issue. is your cel on? is the dizzy untested at this point, or has it worked before? recently converted to obd1 or to mpfi?

 

another thing to check is the valve clearance. I've seen out of adjustment valves being way off only put out 30-40psi compression w/ base timming on. I think that your timming is off with only having 0. Even if you didn't stagger the rings and didn't adjust valves you should still get some. Re-do base timming and set ignition timming also and use a service manuel and you should build compression. I wouldn't crank it over anymore until you get that fixed or verified.

 

manuel?

 

yes, you need one of those. can't rebuild a honda without one

 

LMFAO!!! HAHAHA!

Well military is awesome, I have online access to two different manuals for vehicle repair!

 

Dizzy was working fine the same morning yesterday, everything was working before i began.
obd0 with mpfi, single cam non v-tec ZC

i dunno if its worth it for a same zc to redo rings 3 times in the same summer, id rather get a d15b or something

Would be off by a tooth? # years ago i had timing off by a tooth only and it still ran okey ish, just not enough power.

In this case, how much timing is supposed to be off for it to be so screwed up.

As for sompression, normally when your cranking the motor you can feel it when the pistons reaching the top, its really tight. In this case i can rotate the motor all i want, nice and easy.