anyone ever hear of anyone using these? i found 0 topics on here for these.

here is a link. $206 shipped for a set of both new! to good to be true? supertech is my next bet but just figured id ask you dudes.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BLACK...Q5fAccessories

 

Why would you even risk it? For $100? Isn't this a very critical part that could take out the entire motor if it failed?

Ask the seller what the recommended installed height and pressure is and what max lift/coil bind/pressure at max recommended lift/spring rate is. I can go on but chances are even you do not know what to do with the information.

Sounds like a great combination with the OBX cams i saw on EBay the other day.

 

what if you were told they came from the same building in taiwan that a more popular cam/valvespring/retainer came from. then, would it matter what the outside of the box says or where you bought them? not saying thats the case here, but quite often it is.

 

he must have been offended by the trash talk i posted about retards who suggest "throw your money down the tube because i have no experience but hey i read stuff on h-t!"

then when someone like him who actually knows the important info sees a guy like me post, who doesnt know how to apply the bullshit he typed to my situation and he gets peturbed and has to write a little rant.

why did he even bother responding?

 

Wow write a complete sentence lately?

 

Actually I would rather spend a few more dollars and know it was what I wanted. Ive been around a lil while and know sometimes there is a less expensive alternative, but sometimes its just not worth the risk.

 

I have to agree with him on this one, cams and valve springs are one of the things where you really do get what you pay for. why buy the cheap stuff, id be scared to death every time i rev all the way out the something is gonna happen! you can ruin a full build with one cheap faulty part. what cams are you gonna be running?

 

01 itr

 

I am running the valve springs and retainers in my b16 with a set of stage 1 blackworks cams. The cam profiles are not great, shitty low end crazy top end, but i have had no issue with the springs or retainers. I looked at the springs against a set of skunk 2's and there was no difference in quality. Plus i got springs retainers and cams for 400 new in box, compare that price to skunk 2's.

 

You 'looked at' the quality? I would love to hear how you were able to tell the type of alloy used, fatigue rates, tolerances, etc. by looking at them. That would be extremely useful information.

 

Coming from someone who was a Quality Engineer for a while, you do not "see" quality in the end product.

Rhetorical question - I can polish a turd so it looks pretty, does that mean it is quality since you can see the polished blingyness?

 

Well i apologize for not being a metallurgist however, i believe i can spot a defect when i see it and i found none. Plus the spring color and the thickness of the coils were identical to the skunk 2. Why is it that the second a new company comes out and starts selling parts at respectable prices everyone labels them junk cause their prices arn't jacked up. If blackworks was selling there spring/retainer combo kit for 400 like skunk2 they would probably get more respect. Isn't it strange that 2 years ago you could buy a skunk2 pro intake manifold for 200 and now they sell for 275! Did it get better or do they just want to make more money?

 

My point was that 90% of 'Quality' is the operation that supports the manufacturing of the part, not the part itself. What may appear to look great, may in fact be poor.

No one is saying these are bad products, but don't rush to conculsions that because they look the part, they are the part. They are too new on the market for anyone to say they are good or bad.

With that said, most of the parts you see from Blox, OBX, Skunk2, Brian Crower, Underground Racing, etc all come from the same manufacturer. All it takes is the right contact and you can get "Your Name Here" on the box.

 

Those are some pretty good points. I think every company in this industry have the same trial and tribulations. They just have to prove themselves overtime, but the people that take the chance and buy their parts while the company is still young, are the people who really make the company. The best marketers I think are the consumers out there on the street and track putting the products to work.

 

alot of black works products are popping up now

 

Funny how Blackworks Racing and Blox Racing were both founded in 2003, share a similar name, and both seem to copy the hell out of Skunk2 products. Just look at the BW "tuner" and "pro" series cam gears, if that's not a S2 knock off, I don't know what is.
They copied the Golden Eagle Lsvtec kit as well.

 

I was about to say that..

And now Blox make some very respectable products...

 

I wouldn't go as far as to say they are respectable products. Some of the Blox products lack attention to detail. I wasn't impressed with their IM or TB. Their cams are good for the price, but their customer service sucks and most of their sales reps. can't help you whenever you have any technical questions.

 

its easy to copy a product

its not as easy to get several years worth of feedback from customers to know where the product needs improvement....

 

Ok, I may change that to:

They make very respectable parts for the price.



I have degreed a set of their cams and the machinig was better than expected!

 

Does anybody here have opinions about the TI retainers?

Some ppl on the forum think TI retainer failure is a myth. Just like to know b4 i order.

 

I have the valve springs and retainers and the valves from blackworks. I'm pushing over 500 hp with my DD and have not had any problems with the head at all. I am also running very aggressive cams, skunk2 pro1, so everything seems to be just fine. Cant beat the price and honestly i would buy now before they blow up and start being like skunk and jacking all there prices because they are good products. Also there customer service is awesome, they sent me the wrong valves and i called them at 9 in the morning and a ups driver was at my door by 12 and than a new set of valves where at my door the next day at 4pm.... That's taking care of your customers if u as me.

 

pro1's aren't a aggressive cam.. just throwing that out there.

 

They are more than lets say itrs which alot of people run in there turboed car.

 

I would run pro3 but they have to much overlap for turbo set ups and or i would run vtech killer cams but dont think that would go over very great for a DD.