i have a s2 stage 1 cams.. and blox valvespring planing to use with oem retainers. is this set up ok? its for daily driven car...
or should i just go with tuner s2 valvespring with oem retainer ?
or type r valvespring with oem retainer?
my engine is a b16a2. im driving for reliability and daily use. no plans for race. max rev ill go is 8.5k..
Are the oem retainer strong enough to handle stage 1 cams til 8.8k?

 

or maybe i shud go with supertech vs> i have a friend offering me retainer and vs brand new. but i prefer to use Oem retainer with high mileage. so guys help me out. your comments are appreciated. thanks

 

I prefer Supertech over blox vavletrain.

 

If you have Skunk2 cams, why wouldn't you go with Skunk2 valve train? Would you put 4 different brands of pistons in the block?
Matter of fact, you can run the Tuner 1's with stock valve train.

 

cos i accidentally order blox valvespring instead of skunk2. Would supertech be too stiff for my stage 1?
btw tuner series valvespring are they all the same. i have som1 selling me his old stock, but its like from 8 yrs ago. brand new thou

 

IDK what the seat or open pressure is on the Supertech springs.

 

Why would you recommend skunk over supertech if you don't even know the specs? If oem VT is adequate and S2 VT is overkill, but supertech VT is less stiff than S2 but stiffer than oem and provides more insurance, why wouldn't you run Supertech VT? And your analogy regarding the 4 brands of pistons is rediculous. Of course you wouldn't run 4 different brands of pistons, but using different brands of cams and valvetrain is done all the time. You said it yourself, oem VT is adequate for S2S1 cams, is OEM VT made by Skunk?

 

stock retainers for stock redlines...
I would not mix and match valvetrain components. Pressures,heights,clearances, open/closing rates, so many variables to deal with. Unless you understand EVERYHING thats going on, I would only trust the manufacturer or a professional...
my 2cents.

 

blox valve springs are fine for those cams, im running the blox type b's with their valve springs and supertechs aluminum retainers. most stage 1 or stage 2 cams do not require but are recomended to upgrade to a better set of spring and retainers. just keep that rev limit under 9k to be safe.

 

what is it gonna be guys, i was offered tuner s2 and also supertech by a friend. i have blox already at the moment. i want a spring which is soft due to my set up of stage 1 cams. i don mind spending the extra money if s2 springs are more matching to my set up.
heres the spec of blox.
OUTER DIAMETER: 29.3mm

INNER DIAMETER: 16.8mm

SEAT PRESSURE: 78 lbs @ 33.4mm

OPEN PRESSURE: 212 lbs @ 21.4mm

MAX LIFT: 12mm

COIL BIND: 18.8mm

 

Look into RM SL series springs if you want a lower seat pressure.

 

why spend more money, just use the blox and buy a set of retainers!

 

you re right jdm lmc. im not planning to change the retainer, just the stock ones will do. cos its a daily driver. im just afraid the blox springs are to stiff, n when i use them on my stock afraid it will break.

 

comparing among Blox, skunk and super tech. which is the softest?
BLOX
OUTER DIAMETER: 29.3mm

INNER DIAMETER: 16.8mm

SEAT PRESSURE: 78 lbs @ 33.4mm

OPEN PRESSURE: 212 lbs @ 21.4mm

MAX LIFT: 12mm

COIL BIND: 18.8mm

SKUNK2
Skunk 2 Valve Springs
Variable or Linear: Linear
Seat Pressure: 72lbs
Max Lift: 12.7mm
Coil Bind: 18mm
Pressure @ 12.7mm/.500" lift: ???

SUPERTECH
upertech B-Series Valve Springs PN SPR-H1002D-KIT
Variable or Linear: Linear
Seat Pressure: ???
Max Lift: 12.5mm
Coil Bind 19.5mm
Pressure @ 12mm/.472" lift: 190lbs

 

I find this so disturbing! Why doesn't he just build an entire Skunk2 car? He's not mixing two different cams, just components in the head. Your comment is like saying "you shouldn't use JE pistons with Eagle rods because they're made by different companies".

 

The skunk2 springs are softer but not by exponential amount, yes the blox springs are a little stiffer but that's not a bad thing and wont affect your cams and most likely will not affect your retainers. I gave you a link if you want to buy some new retainers, i say just go ahead and do it. its worth the insurance of knowing you don't have to worry about your retainers failing.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUPER...Q5fAccessories

 

You find it disturbing because you don't know what you are talking about. The cams, springs, retainers, and keepers were all designed to work together. People who build engines for a living typically use the whole VT from a single vendor. Yes, you can "mix" VT components in a head but if you have a problem then the issue is wholly with you.

Also, your analogy about eagle rods and JE pistons is dead wrong because the rod and piston require a floating wrist pin.

 

wrong on both accounts, highlighted in bold.

(1) Search on user: Master of the Universe
Keywords : Spring Test - BVTEC

Then look at any "stg 2" cam lift and try to reconcile your statement with those facts.
In fact you can't use any OEM B-series VT with a "stg 2" cam.

(2) 9K rpms are not the problem with springs. It is the amount of lift.

 

is the argument in this thread over blox valvesprings VS. skunk2?

thats pretty hilarious. im not going to say why, im going to wait for someone to chime in.

 

Wait, wait, let me guess, both are made at the same factory, just as some other brands are made in another factory and labeled differently.

 

I don't ever remember recommending Skunk2 over Supertech to be quite honest. In fact, I told him with Tuner 1 cams, he can use his stock valve train. So your whole post was a waste of time basically.


My thoughts exactly. Companies build their components to coexist with one another, so running something outside of their recommended specs is a chance that the owner must be willing to take.


This is a complete fail seeing is how Skunk2 doesn't have a spring with 72lbs of seat pressure. Their Tuner Series valve springs seat pressure is 50lbs and their Pro Series valve springs are 60lbs. In fact, the highest spring they have is 70lbs and that's for a K series.

He's actually planning on mixing 3 different manufacturers in his head alone, Skunk2, Blox, and OEM Honda. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me, in fact it sounds quite tacky, but I'll let you and the OP think that it's adequate.

 

Make up your mind already, first you bash the OP for not going with S2 valvetrain to match the cams, then you say oem is adequate, now you're saying it's tacky cause he's mixing honda and skunk2 parts. Do you have split personality or something?

 

You either don't know what your talking about, or your eyes are glued shut. I told the OP that it is recommended to go with Skunk2 valve train, since Skunk2 was his choice in cams, but... I then let him know that the Tuner 1's don't REQUIRE aftermarket valve train (trying to help him out).
The tacky part was mixing 3 different manufacturers in 1 cylinder head.

You are such a clown!

P.S. Show me where I "bashed" him, cause I have scrolled through the whole thread and I can't find it anywhere. Suggestions, and bashings are two different things, at least in California!

 

all-mtr-teg, I'm still waiting on you to show me where I recommended Skunk2 over Supertech... if you can't answer that, you probably can't answer any other questions I dish out.

 

oh man, cant we all just get along!