I got all the rules down now. I live in Portland OR, and am wondering about ICSCC/Honda challenge stuff. In the car classes for this it has all these different classes and only has H4 classified. However I looked up some video's of ICSCC H1 (2008) races at my local tracks? Does this mean they do H4 H3 H2 and H1. Or, did they just change calsses this year and only run H4 in 2009?
Basically can I run H2 in the ICSCC NW Honda Challenge? If not what do sanctioning body holds H2 honda challenge races in the NW. Note: the "west coast" honda challenge only seemed to be in NoCal SoCal and Arizona. That is a too long of a commute for my first year.

Nick

 

Nobody knows?
I find it hard to beleive they have H2 HC all over the US except in oregon.....

 

i live in houston, TX and honda challenge doesn't have a large field. most the guys from h2 so if they have the 5? or so to have a race then they should offer it.

most likely you just dont have enough cars in the field to have the h2 race.

 

Does anybody Live in the NW with an H2 car they would like to race????? We can patition ICSCC and they will make a H2 class if we can get enough drivers/cars...

Nick

 

You might want to try contacting A&J Racing (?), I know they've been a Honda presence out that way the last several years. They might know some people that are racing/looking to race.

Here: http://www.aj-racing.com/shop/home.php

 

Thanks alot Stinky, You have been alot of help so far

Nick

 

Ok I am getting frustrated. I sent AJ-racing a e-mail. I just want to race on a track in real races. Is there a SCCA class for my car as it sits?

97 civic hatch
LSVTEC
B1 Block 81.5mm
Pr3 pistons
GSR head
S2 intake manifold.

Could this classify Street Prepared, or is it gonna be Street Modified? I found that ICSCC recognizes all SCCA classes. So it may not be Honda CHallenge but it is racing

 

Street Prepared and Modified are autocross classes, so that won't work. There are certainly classes that you can race in, but as to how competitive you'll be... ITE is generally a catch-all for heavily modified cars. STU would be my next guess, but that's for World Challenge Touring spec cars, where you would undoubtedly be outmatched.

Edit: Also, if you put the stock engine in your car it would probably be ITA legal, and that is generally a popular class.

 

OK ICSCC did have H1 and H4 classes adopted from the NASA rule set. While the participation in H4 has been good the H1 class has suffered low entries. The result was that ICSCC dropped the class. You can petition to have any class adopted but you need car counts to make it happen and stick. However that does not mean you don't have a place to race. First let's assume that your car meets all the safety requirements, cage, cutoff switch, fire extinguisher, belts, seat, ect.... Most of the class rules mandate a pretty stock drive train but with your LS Vtec that excludes you from most of the SCCA classes except for GT classes. You could run GT but the safety rules require more cost and car preparation. So let's work on the catch all classes that conf has. You can run in ITE or RS. The RS rules are pretty open and rely on radial tires and a weight based on engine displacement. Read rule 1310 in the conf rules for more details. Not problem your car can fit. It won't be competitive but it will be able to compete. The ITE rules are taken from the Oregon region SCCA rules. If you meet ITE then you can run in SCCA or ICSCC without change to the car. (You will also be able to run SPU in ICSCC if you meet RS or ITE rules as a second entry. Gives you two classes and races on one weekend)

Conf rules are here:
http://www.icscc.com/tech.php

One more thing is that if you are a novice and don't yet have a competition license then it doesn’t matter what car you have for now..... As a novice you run in one race group and you must meet saftey requirements but there is no classing at that point. You get three novice races before you must pick a class.

You might get a better response if you post to the ICSCC forum as there are lots of guys you can help out there.

http://www.icscc.com/forums/index.php

BTW: If it was me (as Stinkycheezmonkey said) swap in the stock motor, sell the LS/Vtec to pay for the first three to five races running in ITA. The car is going to be serioiusly out classes in any other catch all class.
Dave

 

This is nice, and I didn't know about it! Is that an ICSCC-specific thing or what?

 

Ah,

Well I REALLY dont want to put a Non-vtec single cam back into my civic and race with that. I would rather put a B18C or B16A in and race with that. However I want to be Competitive. I would like to able to win So if I have to go back to single slam then so be it. If I ran a B18C or B16A would that put me in a class I can be competitive in, other then HC H2.

Good info on the Novice race rules, or lack of

 

This is sort of the gist of it: for the most part, a swapped-Honda isn't made to be competitive in just about any SCCA class. Especially if you're a noob, now is the time to make a particular decision if you want to be competitive in whatever class you choose. Get the car right for a particular class, or choose a new car. That is also region-dependent (there might not be anybody in the class to begin with, or the people in the upper classes might not be that talented).

If you're really set on keeping that car, it'll need some pretty serious work, and some serious talent behind the wheel to be competitive.

 

jus askin but do u know if thier is anyone out thier wanting to run a h2 class in florida

 

Not sure about FL, sorry. User Dave_B might know someone, he's down in that area.

 

Heres a question.....
We have some knowns here.
They are:
Car
Modded
Wants to race
Wants to be competitive

Whats your experience?


Last time I checked you dont just jump into a car, and race on a track.
Maybe we should be back tracking here and find out where else you might need some guidance?
The pieces will start to form a bigger picture

 

No need to worry about my skill level or ability to drive a car. I am not just jumping into the sport either.... I just have a 97 civic w/ LSVTEC and thought it would be easier/cheaper to convert that car for H1/H2. After all I have learned so far. I think it would be easier and cheaper to just go buy a CRX or EG6 and build a H4 car. Not the class I wanted but, now I can race and have fun. Thats all I really want.

Nick

 

that would be the wrong assumption.

you aren't going to be able to build a H4 car for cheaper for then what you can buy one for right now.

Fast, well built H4/ITA are going for VERY cheap right now.

Hell so are H1/H2 cars. A H1 S2k just sold for 11,500 and while it might not have had the best of everything it did have WAY more then that put into it, and there is no way you could replicate it.

 

i think you two are in agreement... you read it wrong.

economy is tough, lots of ppl selling their racecars at great deals.

better to find out what class other ppl are racing in your area, then buy a car for that. i dont think with your street setup it would even convert into a fun class without starting over. but im only going by what you said of the region, im not familiar with NW. used to be a bunch of Honda guys up there, but dont hear from them much lately.

 

[QUOTE=Nick97hatch;39070250]No need to worry about my skill level or ability to drive a car. I am not just jumping into the sport either....

Please expound on this... it could help finding or building something suitable for you.

 

I researched extensively before I started my build, then ended up hurting my back which ended my road racing hobby.
H1 and H4 were the classes that had enough cars to quantify having the class at PIR and SIR last time I looked. H1 is expensive-people running K-swaps etc, and there were only a few cars running back then. H4 uses the stock engine that came in the car, HC rules allow body swaps provided the differences between models are allowed or items that can be removed. i.e. in H4 you can run a DX with the Si D16Z6 in it, because the HC rules allow deletion or plating over of the sunroof, and they allow the body swap. Reason being HC has a weight limit, and I liked it because you didn't have to go buy an Si to be competitive. ITA does not have this so if you want to run ITA you need to source the car for your engine so to speak.
FYI a couple years ago a D15B7 equipped DX hatch H4 car won the seasons championship(allowed to be lighter), so motor isn't everything....
Slammed 93 is right, you should be able to find a race ready H4 car for cheap, and if you get one properly built(original CRX or Civic SI-EF or EG), you'll be able to compete and be a front runner in ITA as well..kinda as a backup in case the H4 class doesn't have enough cars.

 

This would require transport, but I think AJ Nealy's H4/ITA CRX is still for sale, and that car is absolutely top notch and competition ready.

*End plug*

 

Please expound on this... it could help finding or building something suitable for you.

Well, I raced a 125cc shifter kart as a child, I go to some track days and drag nights (legal). I enjoy the mountain I have worked on circle track cars but the motor mostly.

A friend of mine who has a much larger racing background then I, decided he wanted to build me car to race in HC. We just thought (cause we have never raced in HC) we could convert my street car to a track car. However, thats not the case and we will build one for H4 just cause it will be cheaper to maintain. We also feel this class focuses more on technique and ability more then anything.

It may be cheaper to buy a car already done. We would prefer to do it ourself or find one thats almost done from a reputable builder for cheap that we could tweek. Any advice on what chassis/motor is better then others is welcome


I do have transport.. I will look into it.

Nick

 

h4 = spec crx

since youre new, ill explain. the only competitive car is the CRX in H4. it has the best allowances within the rules that are fit for that car. so ultimately, if youre not running a CRX, then youve got a handicap. sure you can drive around the issues, whatever they may be, but the CRX is the car to have.

the integra would be a winner too, but they limited wheel size so the tires fall off faster, from the opinion of a winning integra driver.

ive tried to get the rules changed to help the EF hatch compete better with the CRX, but it just wasnt accepted. (not that any of that was slowing me down this year... but thats not the point.)

"chassis choice is key" and you cant go wrong with a CRX.

i dunno if there are any competitive EG chassis out there anymore. i wouldnt bother trying to be the first in H4. they seem to be better suited for H2/H1 duty where min weight is set by engine, not chassis.

 

I don't think the H4 integra is dead, and they can keep the tires under them for a whole race. Just cause one guy can't do it, doesn't mean it isn't possible. It is an easier car to drive to then the CRX.

The 92-95 civic SI/EX could/has been competitive. It isn't the easiest car to get down to weight, and the motor needs a serious build to make competitive power. Where as the integra and crx seem to make power easier.

The crx SI/civic SI are really good. They have the longest line of development, and at one point in time were a huge overdog in ITA. The development for them is there more so then any other model.

Each car has its advantages and disadvantages, it just depends on what you want.

 

when you limit the size of the tire, and min weight is lower, which car is gonna be better with tire temps?

its not just subjective to one person's experience. its an objective analysis.

everything is possible, pluses and minuses, but you missed the point that the overall, the CRX is the car to have since its the lightest and shortest wheelbase car with all the updating and backdating AND OBD2 tuning available.