I am a new rider, and maybe I got the wrong bike... but...

I have been dropping the bike. I never drop it when I am moving. There is 2 problem I have, doing slow maneuvers ( I stop in the middle of it for some reason) and squeezing front brake. That's when I drop the bike.

There are lot more practice I need to do and I anticipate dropping it more while I am learning.

Besides the physical damages to the bike, is there any internal problem with 600RR?

I know it is a stupid questions, but I have to deal with this for now

 

stop hurting the poor 600rr and rent a scooter to practice on.

 

I did actually considered that. but brake on scooter is different from 600rr. I just wanna know if it will damage mechanical wise.

 

just stick with ur 600rr.. jsut need a little practice.. is the bike a little high for u? if ur going to ask bout my height im 5'7 and my 600rr is high for me.. i dropped the bike many times when i barely started riding so just keep practicing good luck man..

 

If you don't have the touch and feel based on years of riding experience to use the front brake during slow maneuvers, you SHOULD be using the rear brake.

Sounds like you need a lot of seat time, how is your balance on other things like bicycles and such?

I ride 99.9% front brake, I temper that with very subtle throttle control and front brake lever input to make smooth slow speed transitions/maneuvers but I wouldn't want or expect a newer rider to do the same. As mater of fact I try not to set my feet down at lights unless I time light incorrectly, and when I do stop it's only with the right foot down(left foot should always cover the shift lever to engage in case of emergencies).

The best slow speed riders are law enforcement and touring riders, and they all use the rear brake almost exclusively for slow speed maneuvers. That being said, it wont help you if you don't have the touch or good sense of balance.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuaqe...eature=related

 

i disagree. i always use both brakes and use my left foot to come to a complete stop. it's good to get into the habit of doing that if you ever have someone on the back. even when you're by yourself, using both brakes will help so that your weight doesn't shift forward as much and your arms don't get as tired. and if you're worried about any emergencies, don't shift into neutral coming to a stop. leave the bike in gear and just hold the clutch. the MSF even teaches that. but i guess everyone has their own riding techniques.

to the OP. at least put some frame sliders on it in case you drop it again so your frame doesn't get screwed up.

 

back to his original question ... will it hurt the internals?

I'm sure it's not GOOD for the bike haha ... but people stunt them and race / high-side them all the time and they are 'fine'

 

it all depends on how hard you drop it. once it's tipped over though, the bank angle sensor should cut the bike off to avoid damage. this isn't a really good question though because i think you're trying to justify or make it "ok" to drop your bike. aside from the obvious cosmetic damage, you could bend your frame which would make it not handle properly. there could be electronic damage too. a fall could strip wires, cause a short and cause all sorts of problems. the solution would be to just not drop your bike... and if you're dropping the bike mid-maneuver, just remember not to squeeze the brake completely until you stand the bike straight up. if you're stopping the bike completely while trying to make a turn or something, of course it's going to fall over since it's already leaning to the side.

 

Mschu, that police vid was incredibly impressive.

op: how big are you? i've never managed to drop a bike when i stop.

 

That's about the only thing I think we agree on

 

If you look carefully, you can clearly see the officer covering in that video

 

are these fitted to all modern motorcycles? because i know of a GSXR1000 engine that had a single main crank bearing fail, about 800 miles after the crashed bike was back on the road.
the owner had two theories for the bearing failure:
a) at time of crash, the bike may have been running or revving high, while on its side, while also losing oil from broken engine casings

b) a piece of debris from the road, or the casings, gained entry and managed to stay in despite the cleaning process

the bank angle sensor should eliminate the first theory. it was a '05 GSXR

OP, if your damaging the engine casings, be careful of debris entering. or of material breaking away inside the casings, even if they are damaged but not leaking oil.
And be careful of the engine running on its side.
common preventive measures, which all have their own good/bad points, are:
Crash mushrooms, Frame sliders, Engine bars/Stunt cages ??,Heavy duty engine casings, and Carbon/kevlar engine casing covers(clutch/stator covers). the latter are now compulsory in moto gp racing, or something

 

i don't see why they wouldn't be on all modern bikes. my bike has one, 01 f4i. and my bike is pretty old compared to all the new bikes out there.

 

1. sounds like your passengers don't know how to be good passengers - they shouldn't be pressing their weight against you.
2. your arms shouldn't really ever get tired. your legs are supposed to be holding you to the bike, not your arms.
3. using the rear brake a lot is just asking for a slide on corner entry. if you know how to 'back it in', then do whatever you like. otherwise, you're setting yourself up to crash.

 

lol i guess wer the same..i do that technique haha DAMN MSF! i switch it up once in a while if the lights taking instead of ur foot on the right try left but make sure u cover the front brake..

 

The left foot crew are the same riders that love smoking there Hush Puppies...

I understand why the rider foundation teaches riders to ride like they do, and I agree with teachings on whole... but it's not how I ride.

 

For me, which foot goes down depends on the situation. On a hill, I'm leaving the bike in 1st and putting my left foot down. The crown of the road or general road condition will also dictate which foot or if both feet come down or at all.

 

i call bullshit on this being a serious post

 

I agree here. The situation will affect how I stop the bike. If i need to stop and stop fast (emergency situation), I will be using both brakes and when I do stop, the left foot will be the one to see the pavement first. Riding in the turns on the road, the rear brake doesn't get much use at all, if any (no backing it in here). As far as approaching a light normally goes, it all depends on the situation (long light, short light, debris/fluids in the road, etc.). Adjusting for your surroundings is the name of the game on a motorcycle IMO, so to me, getting into too much of a habit for braking and stopping in one particular way has its setbacks.

To the OP,

I would suggest picking up some frame sliders or whatever you want to call them, and spending a lot of time in a parking lot practicing slow speed manuevers over and over until you get it down. It will come to you; and any damage you'll do to the bike in practice can most likely be easily fixed and will be well worth it compared to dropping it once in the middle of a u-turn against approaching oncoming traffic! A lot of people want to get out on the road as soon as possible and don't take too much time to actually learn their bike's weight and balance and just focus on the straight line starts and stops. If you learn your bike at slow speed first, you'll have a much better base and it will be cake (comparitively) learning to manuever the bike at road speeds.

 

Exactly... New user, coming in here with this mess. No one creates a thread about this. It's like he's damn near bragging about it or acting like nothing's wrong with it.