sorry to make this dramatic but i purchased a level 2 bisi cam and i finally put it on today and the car turned on and immediatly shut off... and i searched and my rotor inside the distributor wasnt turning so i figured it was the cam and once i looked in the middle in between the rocker arms i see that the cam was broke in 2 so i am really sad and i dont want to say pist but i jus spent almost 400 for this and sent my core so now i cant run my car and it was my Daily driver man bad things happen to me...
well thnx for readin my pathetic story guys alls i need is for bisi to no replace this that would be great and i live in Fl imagine that

 

Do you have mods to support a level 2 cam? That's going to be one of the first questions.

 

It is only recommended. I ran my Bisi Stage 2 cam in my F22B1 SOHC VTEC with no valvetrain upgrade and it pulls strong and ran fine with fully tune. There was no problem whatsoever. I believe its due to a defect; if you know what I mean.

Sorry to hear your problem man. Hope you get it replace.

 

You are correct, I must have been mistaken.

 

yeah i kno i mean i spent about my last bit of money on them becuase along with that purchase i purchased bisi's adjustable cam gear and the pro kit which was the valve springs and retainers i mean i really hope they do replace it for me i can understand defects but wow lately everythings been falling apart for me man ... im tryin to stay strong and now be stupid and get mad i just want this thing to pass and be settle man this sucks i miss toying with my cd....

 

Have you tried contacting anyone at Bisimoto Engineering prior to posting this bash thread?

 

Actually, I have ghost and unfortunately they're closed today or they closed already due to it being sunday / father's day o by thway happy fathers day to you guys and I'm not trying to down talk bisi I have a lot of respect and look up to him with his work but it just sucks that this happened to me so I guess the end result is that I'm going to call tommorrow and hopefully get somewhere . :/

 

So then the purpose of this thread is?

Why bother posting this if not to bring attention to your dislike for the product. Your title says it all "Bad Bisi cam impression..."

 

Well i am young and nieve sometimes and im not going to lie i was infuriated by what jus happen but hey im just going to wait till tomorrow and hopefully nothing bad happens becuase it could just be a minor defect

 

Call them on Monday. Bisi has usually been fairly responsive and posts fairly regularly. My guess is he'll ask if it was professionally installed, what other mods were done, etc and have you send it back so he can track down what failed.

 

Seeing as though you have said you are young and nieve sometimes; did you follow each and every procedure a cam install brings about? And nothing i'm saying is an attack on you, but as everyone here has said, Bisi is going to ask you questions. Whether or not its their fault he's going to ask and just tell him the truth.

Just relax for now (trust me i know what it feels like to have a daily driver down on a weekend with places closed) and call him in the morning, then let us know what you're told.

 

Every company has products that fail or otherwise don't meet the same level as identical products.

In what way is he not allowed to explain his situation with a Bisimoto cam that failed? It happened and in no way is he required to stay silent about it. If everyone were to not say anything about a product failing how could the company improve them?

Good luck with the situation. I would hope and I feel as though they should overnight you a replacement part immediately. Assuming you had nothing to do with the failure which I highly suspect you didn't, they should do everything in their power to get you back on the road. It is their product failure that ultimately fails your contract to purchase a product that is expected to work.

 

I didn't say that he wasn't allowed. You don't think that a company can get negative feed back from a customer without them going on a public forum? Yes, he has a right to complain but why post it before any contact has been made or an accurate judgment on why the product failed.

Now you are automatically siding with the guy that is complaining. Assuming that it is product failure and not installer error. Why? Why couldn't it be installer error? The guy said he installed it and tried to start the car. He never made any mention of checking clearances first or making any adjustments. He just installed it and tried to start the car. Who's to say he even used a torque wrench. What if he adjusted the valves improperly or never adjusted them at all. Or maybe there is a P2V clearance issue? We only know what he has told us and it's not even a complete account. For all we know he could have dropped it before it even made it into the car. Not saying that's what happened but only the OP knows what he did. Only a metallurgist will be able to tell if it was a flaw in the cam.

Why are people these days so quick to point fingers at everyone else before getting any answers? That is all I'm trying to get at.

Edit* However I also hope that this issue gets resolved and both parties are satisfied with the outcome.

Over & Out

 

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for christ sakes the guy even said he's naive. His manner of bashing on a fuking Sunday?! Any person with even the smallest bit of wisdom would tell you creating a thread like this says something about your character. ACCORD97 it says even more about you, your siding with your own ignorance. You don't know what happened on behalf of the broken Cam. But we all know Bisi is a pretty respected developer. Most can testify. Of course there are potential FK ups WITH every product but given the manner in which the kid decided to address his problem, and him even admitting being naive aids skepticism about potential negligence. We know little about him, so it's fair to have a skeptical opinion about the situation Even given the fact it could be due to manufacturing defect. So stop sweating the ***** of people who are actually trying to assist the situation. Your wasting time and you sound like a Mother

Well, hope you get the cam situation worked out. We all make errors and **** **** up sometimes too we have nothing to do with. Either way GL. Bisi is cool too so matters should be resolved fairly. Peace

 

Well i guess i came on the wrong way? but no i had talked to april in a very mature manner and she listened fairly nice person and she told me id have to wait for haydee if im not mistaken is how the Sales side lady is spelled but she did kind of touch base with me and told me she has my number and has been told my little inconvient problem and she would call me back in a hour and its been almost 3 hours and no call but patients is a virtue she did mention that she would talk to bisi and see what to do as far as my situaution and towards ghost i did follow specifications i am mechanically inclined i had a pdf of the service manual for my vehicle which is a 96 honda accord ex sedan and i did properly torque everything from the head to rocker arms and adjustments were made and i even had a haynes manual and i do work at a auto store and had access to more in depth info. like diagrams for wiring settting timing and lots of other information on the vehicle so i know everything was a ok and had professional help. as for muffin man only mods before the installment where i/h/and a bit on the exhaust not full exhuast and i took the head off to port n polish it along with the TB and IM and i put in the bisi cam with his pro springs and retainers and his cam gear heavy purchase but hopefully wortth it after the outcome on my situation i made sure the tightening sequences for the head and cam holders with torque specs were down and packed ...
hopefully i get some word soon but thats as far as it goes for me until some form of conact to me is done from Bisi Corp.

 

I personally went to Bisi himself on my delayed items, he responded right away while he was online at H-T took care of it the next day and the goods arrived 5 days later. You may wish to PM Bisi, send him an e-mail bisi@bisimoto.com or call and ask for bisi himself and keep calling. Direct contact is the best and Bisi will not let me or you or anyone down

Dude, sounds like you know what you're doing. May pay to go to honda and pay ~$150 for a new oem cam just to save your DD for a while. May take up to few weeks or next week to get your cam regrind made again.

PS: If im not wrong bisi doesn't regrind the cam himself, he sends them to webcam to do it therefore it's not bisi's fault if the cam did fail. I may be wrong. Peace

 

Where to begin? You claim I am ignorant for siding with the guy by saying "assuming it wasn't his fault" (which by the way means, ASSUMING, not for sure) and yet you are siding with Bisimoto when you then go on to say that there are potential errors with EVERY product. You logic makes no sense and besides your grammar and trailer trash language, makes you sound even more stupid.

"So stop sweating the ***** of people who are actually trying to assist the situation. Your wasting time and you sound like a Mother"

^ What does that even mean? That is beyond stupid. Do you even have a learners permit? YET AGAIN, your "Words" are completely opposite of what you say. In what way did YOUR post assist the situation?

You fail.....or should I say PWND. How about you actually think before you post next time and stop wasting the server space. Or not, and I will just tear you up again.


In all, if Bisimoto screwed up their product they should replace it. If it was an installer error, well, then that is self explanatory. Sure the company is great, but wow, getting mad because someone had a bad experience with their product is ridiculous, especially when we will find out shortly.

 

Good Luck! It seems that you have a good idea as to what you were doing. In my opinion, I would call them back tomorrow. If they have to replace their product free of charge, they won't exactly be quick to call you back.

 

Yeah whatever Random Smegma. and I waste space?^^^Hello, STFU.
Anyways let us know how it turns out

 

^ Yeah thats exactly what I thought, nothing to back up your stupid mouth. Go have fun with your stripped nut....actually it is a rounded nut and there is a simple technique of removing it but i'll let a so called "genius" like you try to figure it out.

Did you call them yet, "oj5joker" ? BTW, sorry to somewhat threadjack, the guy above me is a complete dumbf*** as you can tell by his stupid posts.

 

This is an interesting thread, as the cam in question was a customer provided stock core that broke. The customer sent in a core, and we provided the profile on it. The origins of the core are unknown to us, and to break a good factory based cam is a feat indeed.

We offer new cores from Honda as an option, and would warrantee defects in workmanship or core stability if sourced from us.

We are willing to help the customers solve problems, but it is hasty to blame a manufacturer when all data is not considered.

Our engineers and I have a few questions, and called yesterday afternoon, without success. We look forward to interacting with the customer today.

Bisimoto cam profiles are superb and undergo significant field and dyno testing before market availability. We, unfortunately (forgive the redundancy) do not have control over customer sent cam cores, heads, blocks, or installation errors.

You have my commitment that we will uncover a scientifically sound reason to why this occurred, as long as the customer is willing to work with us.

 

Hmm where to start.. well nothing yet I am going to pm bisi on HT and wait till around till 2 or 3 o'clock my time because if I'm not correct it will be 12 their time bisi said they were unsuccessful to contact me when they were well at least haydee was and she told me she'd call me back an hour and a half later and never did I never got a phone call but maybe they were busy with something else? And I'm not blaming anyone for wut happen but ikno for a fact it couldn't have been me if I had professional help I took a 4 year class on automotive adding up to 2 years of on job experience and had all proper specifications from sources and I work at an auto shop but it could've probably be just a minor defect because if I'm not mistaken the regrinds are made by web cams as another poster stated? I'm just hoping that this will be settled it just sucks I'm relying on rides now.. but I sent bisi my core cam and nothing wrong with it my car was in tip top condition the previous car owners to my car was tooken to the dealer for everything regular maintence and I bought at 117xxx miles and I jus been doing the maintence my self and its only at 133xxx.. but as far as the bisi part I did send him my core and I had to wait a week for that to arrive to him and a additional couple days to receive the regrind and then that happen so hopefully we'l see wut happens

 

It is no secret that our custom, proprietory profiles are meticulously grinded by Web, and that we perform the quality control, research and optimization.
Joe, we need you to send detailed photos of the cam, the valve train, and the piston to valve clearances used in this engine. This should not be a problem, as you are mechanically inclined, and positively checked for coil bind and other clearances. Send thses photos to lab@bisimoto.com

Once again, we will go out of our way to assist, and arrive at the cause of this. Whether it was your fault/lack of experience/negligence, or not, we are here to help.

Note: it is difficult to take a 4 year class as a means of credibility, as we have been involved in motorsports design and implementation for over 16 years; Web, over 30 years. I must stress that a broken cam cannot be caused by reprofiling of the cam lobes. Magnafluxing customer cores my be a solution, but this adds significantly to the cost of an aftermarket cam profile.

 

I just got out of a meeting of which one of the topics address this cam. One of the Bisimoto engineers was not satisfied with how this cam was installed, and what provisions were made to check for coil bind.
The desicion was made for the customer to purchase a new core, and Bisimoto Engineering will reprofile the cam free of charge, to help Joe out....a true testament to how Bisimoto Engineering gives back to the enthusiast community, and care more than the average motorsports facility.
Joe, you will love the cam, and keep us posted on your progress. We will notify you as soon as it ships, and will get this Bisimoto Engineering level 2 out to you as soon a physically possible.

 

awww a happy ending!
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