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Old Jun 13, 2009 | 07:50 PM
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ok heres the deal

i have an 08 SI, 38,000 miles. but now that i'm looking into modifying the engine, i think i'm going to go carbureted for simplicity/cost effectiveness..

i already have a 600CFM holley, i'm thinking i can get a local machine shop to machine a bracket out of aluminum that you clamp the air intake tube on (it would replace the air filter box) and have a 90* bend with the right flange for the carburetor on top. obviously i would have to get a new low pressure pump for the gas line but that's no big deal. this way i could just leave the injectors and harness in place but wouldnt be using them.

what do you think???

keeping it fuel injected is not an option...
Old Jun 13, 2009 | 07:55 PM
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are you serious?
Old Jun 13, 2009 | 07:56 PM
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yes why???

i love the simplicity of carbs...
Old Jun 13, 2009 | 08:00 PM
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why please dont mess up a good car like that
Old Jun 13, 2009 | 08:03 PM
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fuel injection tuning is easy, plug a computer up to it and press buttons, why would you do that to a motor that isnt even broke in good yet. Also what would nessecitate the need of a carb?
Old Jun 13, 2009 | 08:04 PM
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the custom cams i'm having ground...

the motor won't pull enough vaccuum for the sensors to work right with them...

besides that, CARBs are cheaper and EASIER to me
Old Jun 13, 2009 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by blueDA9
fuel injection tuning is easy, plug a computer up to it and press buttons, why would you do that to a motor that isnt even broke in good yet. Also what would nessecitate the need of a carb?
lol thats exactly what im saying i hope your just joking and a carburetor can be a pain in the *** sometimes just for heads up
Old Jun 13, 2009 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by thomasedwards
the custom cams i'm having ground...

the motor won't pull enough vaccuum for the sensors to work right with them...

besides that, CARBs are cheaper and EASIER to me
how do you plan to run a throttle linkage then? Or make the computer run without the injectors, its entirely to complicated to carburate this motor. A B series, maybe but a k- series no way. How big are the cams you are having ground anyway?
Old Jun 13, 2009 | 08:19 PM
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i can swap a CABLED gas pedal in...
i wont need the computer at all

not sure on the cam specs, the cams along with the cards are in my storage unit
Old Jun 13, 2009 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by thomasedwards

keeping it fuel injected is not an option...
Yes it is.

You wanna talk "simplicity and cost effectiveness". What kind of problems has the car given you with it's existing setup to warrant the extra headache involved in machining a bracket, getting a new low pressure pump, and all the extra **** you'll have to do and the other headaches you'll end up running into.

You make it sound so easy and hassle-free, but all you're doing is butchering a highly-reliable vehicle as it is. And the car's ECU does MUCH MORE than just throttle control. Ever tried to operate a carbureted engine in cold weather. Much more of a "hassle" than a fuel injected engine.

Just leave the damn thing alone.

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Old Jun 13, 2009 | 08:30 PM
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lol.
Old Jun 13, 2009 | 08:32 PM
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hold up there pedro, this is my car

if you consider those things headaches, i feel bad for your wife. she asks you to change the oil and you take it down the road to jiffy lube!!!
Old Jun 13, 2009 | 08:37 PM
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also does anyone know the intake/exhaust port runner volume on the heads???

what about the cross section???

debating on having them worked over, but nobody i know has touched a set and i'm worried about cutting into a water jacket
Old Jun 13, 2009 | 08:40 PM
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I'm talking slightly out of my ***, but isn't a 600cfm carb a little on the big side? I would think a simple 2-barrel carb would work better for a daily driver.

Either way, you should be able to rig a set of resistors to terminate the fuel injector plugs, making it so that the computer still thinks there are fuel injectors. But shouldn't you be mildly concerned about what other functions are tied into the fuel injector load rating?

Interesting concept, perfectly do-able. But you know if you go down this road, you must do a blow-thru carb >:]
Old Jun 13, 2009 | 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by thomasedwards

if you consider those things headaches, i feel bad for your wife. she asks you to change the oil and you take it down the road to jiffy lube!!!
A "gummed up" carburetor refusing to start on a very cold morning would be a headache to anyone. Maybe not a catastrophe, but a nuisance nonetheless.

And then there's the issue of tuning the carburetor to balance out significantly changing weather conditions, which I believe requires disassembly of the carb. Sounds like a big headache to me. That's something you never have to worry about if you leave the car as is. But hey it's your car as you said. Feel free to butcher it as you so choose.

Why would my wife ask me to change the oil on my own car when she never drives it?

Or do you just randomly make bland assumptions that I don't know how to do routine maintenance on my own car?
Old Jun 13, 2009 | 10:02 PM
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This dude is faking and bull shitting! I don't believe it. And putting a turbo on a carbuerated engine sucks just for the record.
Old Jun 14, 2009 | 06:09 AM
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For the record, you are going to have to fab a manifold if you actually go thru with this, and if you were smart you would use 2 Weber side drafts.
Old Jun 14, 2009 | 08:16 AM
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why would i put a turbo on it???

i like nitrous

and carburetors dont get gummed up in the florida winter
Old Jun 14, 2009 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by thomasedwards
why would i put a turbo on it???

i like nitrous

and carburetors dont get gummed up in the florida winter
Well looks like you've got it all figured out then. Better get started. You've got ALOT of work ahead of you.
Old Jun 14, 2009 | 08:43 AM
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One word: Schwinn.
Old Jun 14, 2009 | 09:32 AM
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Won't this void your engine warranty?
Old Jun 14, 2009 | 09:38 AM
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i hope you dont plan on hitting vtec, cuz its not going to work without the ecu.
neither will your speedometer, or injectors.
Old Jun 14, 2009 | 10:58 AM
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Stupid troll is......stupid.
Old Jun 14, 2009 | 02:38 PM
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I say we stop trying to talk him out of it and let him figure it out the hard way.
Old Jun 14, 2009 | 07:50 PM
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I'll give dude 50 bucks if he puts up pics. I think he's bluffing it's such a dumbass idea. Have you seen what happens when they put electronic fuel injection on those old big blocks and 350's on tv? They get like 50hp more minimum and better fuel economy and better emissions. If he carbs the motor I bet it would make 100hp at the crank.



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