Well I come from a Galant VR-4 crowd where boost and all wheel drive conquered everything. However, the reliabilty of the mitsu's is to say the least.

I just bought a 94 4 door GSR from the original owner in perfect condition and looking to get 225 whp out of it while keeping a/c and power steering.

Looking to get into the mid 8's in the 1/8th all motor with full interior if its possible. I am sure with some swap like a B20 or whatever its possible but I would like to keep my B18c1 in.

All help would be appreciated.

 

you can easily to n/a 220+

just do ur basics.
pistons,cams, etc.

then ITB!

 

It's expensive. You'll spend more than force inducting your car. Tuning is key though.

 

^^ true all motor is for ppl who have time and money but she is sure worth it in the end

 

boosting is the easy way to do it. you can get 200whp with endyn bumpstix on a stock ITR with a tune. add a ported head and a little more compression coupled with a top notch header and 220 is do-able but the engine will be really high strung getting there. redline in the high 9s

 

It's not that easy, even mild to high end N/A builds get around 190-200whp. They make good torque though. It gets expensive very easily.

 

it's all about going with proven combos. guess work gets expensive.

 

You need to up the compression, then I'd recommend some major modifications in the head, (cams, valves, springs, retainers, port and polish). Your basic bolt-on's will help out. Anything over 210whp all motor on a B series is pretty remarkable I'd have to say. goodluck.

 

this is true, 12:1 and endyn bumpstix on a ported head with a great tune is the way i would go about shooting for it. they have a matching VT for those cams. read the all motor dyno thread and you can see a few great combos and what they put out.

 

It sounds like boost is the way to go. If all motor is going to cost big $$$ I guess it wont be happening.

That was one of the reason's I pulled out of the gvr4 scene. I blew over $3k in a matter of months and still needed to spend another $700-1k to put down 350 awhp. Then I would have had to worry about the clutch going and the tranny holding up.

I just thought getting 200+whp out of these would be a lot easier considering the motor is so well designed.

I was thinking cams, intake, headers, intake manifold, and a vafc to tune. I am still on the fence on if I want to upgrade the exhaust or not. I dont want to have a loud N/A car for dd duty.

Anyone here know of a good turbo kit to buy? I wanted to stay away for a dd but it seems I may have to go back to boost.

 

Those mods will help performance vs. OEM parts, just not to the 220whp goal.

A good turbo setup is nice, run a low psi and you wont have to change much to the engine internally. Plus you have the extra power when you want it and if tuned right you will be getting much better fuel mileage.

 

my bro spent over 25k fully building his del sol and wen he finally sold it he got 6500 for it. It's expensive, and when you have to sell it you get absolutely raped unless you find the perfect buyer. I'ld say get bolt-ons so you can part that off when you sell it.

Personally i'ld go supercharger

 

Thats why it's always better to part out things then to sell as a whole.

 

its for the love of N/A. not money issue

 

Boost is NOT the way to go!!!!! My grandma just turbo'd her RS the other day, she just figured since everyone else does it, it was supposed to be done.

Obviously it's going to cost more to go NA, but it is so worth it.

 

get some 00 type R cams itbs and a 75shot. youll have fun all day long

 

My honest opinion, it's not worth it to go NA. I've spent a lot of time and money on my build, and my motor only produced 205whp. Sure, its a big increase to what it was before, but for the amount of money spent, I wish I would've built my motor for turbo or just saved my money and bought a newer car. If this is really your hobby and you don't mind spending the money, then by all means, go for it. Big cams, high compression pistons, port and polish head work, balance and blue printing, micropolish this and that, etc will get you 225+ whp. Or slap on a turbo on a stock motor, don't run a ton of boost and get 250+whp..... In the end, I'm wishing I would've just saved my money and left my car the way it was with simple bolt ons.

 

Wow your Gma? pretty cool! but its just a matter of opinion. Boost or N/A are both great. again this is all a hobby. and seems to me like this thread is going to get locked! LOL

 

i'm also thinking the op will enjoy boosted more. he could buy a jackson supercharger and get to his goal easily and without some of the issues you have with a turbo. tune wise, buy a hondata, the engine will run MUCH longer and stronger with a proper tune for the combo. greddy and edelbrock also make bolt on smog legal turbo kits

 

I was debating on going with the JRSC but wasnt too impressed with the numbers I seen people laying down with them.

Also the fact that you cant run more than 10psi without heat soak.

 

DON't go the ricer nitrous oxide route. If you want serious power, go with some forced induction, but 230whp is going to cost some money. Think the same money you spend on trying to reach 230whp you can reach double that with a minor build and a turbo; but then owning a turbo car leads to other issues..

 

Anything is possible...just depends on how much you're looking to spend.

 

i went n/a on my gsr build and only made 194whp, I spent too much money and didnt get such awesome results. Go boost its the best bang for your buck.

 

 

if you are after 220whp they are fine. 250whp is doable. if you're unsure of the goal no one can offer a clear answer