Koni yellows/GC or PIC Selects

hey guys which do you think is better for motorsports i proffer you would have experience with both setups

vote and post what setup you had with them:sway bars, spring rates, etc

 

Ahhhhhh another sneaky way of not searching..
Search.. read read read. this poll has been done lots of times.
Along with race exhaust, seats, harnesses the list goes on forever.

Here is where you went wrong.
You have narrowed your decision to 2 manufacturers. Thats good, but you still dont know what else to buy. Search! We all have different preferences, budgets. What works for one dont necessarilly mean it will work for you.

Better yet.... You left information out, like what your application is going to be..
RR, AX or............. What your experience level is etc?

 

There's a shock from a company called "Moton" that has been specifically designed for your application. They are called "Motorsports". You didn't say that you wanted to "control" either "performance" or the "ground", so your two choices don't seem applicable.

 

see this is what i hate about honda tech, nobody can answer a simple question. These are two company's that i have personally driven and read about immensely. these are two very good setups for the price. Motons are insanly expensive and are out of the question for the budget racer. Now this poll is just a simple way to find out what other race enthusiast like my self think about these two setups.

Koni's and ground controls are great they have been proven over and over again. Now from what i've seen comparing shock dyno's PIC's seem to be on par with koni's on paper. Plus PIC's have individual preload and ride height adjustment. All this poll is for is to see if I'm not the only one that thinks there can be a new alternative to the widely used KONI/GC setup. Now unfortunately i have not had enough time with PIC's and cannot decide if PIC's are as good as Koni/Gc's. From the brief experience i had with them they seemed like a very good shock. Now i was hoping on finding other people on this forum that have used PIC's and Koni/GC and can give there insight on the two setups.

thanks for you participation

Nick


PS. if there is another place were this has been covered please enlighten me.

 

I don't think you can draw this conclusion from the dyno plots here.

 

Are you talking about standard off the shelf koni yellows? Or are you talking about the off the shelf "race" Koni yellows, or better yet the double adjustable units?

The question is still too vague for a simple answer. There still is no application for which the vehicle will be used for. If it's mostly street with a little auto-x and a few track days a year then run what ever you want.

Think about how long you want these units to last, and if they will need a rebuild if thats available.

I'm obviously biased as I'm running Koni's but I feel it was a better choice for me. I wanted something that I could swap between spring rates on and have the one set of shocks work with almost what ever rates I needed.

 

[QUOTE=NlCK B;38654258]see this is what i hate about honda tech, nobody can answer a simple question.

Its been covered... you have to search. You might come up with 10 or more threads, but if you look through them all i bet you'll find out what your seeking. Seems like all we do is answer the same questions over and over again.
All new people do it start polls, ask us to post pictures, because they are too lazy to read.
Each person thinks their queery is indiginous to their specific application.

I think the majority of us just enjoy keeping the forum fresher with out rehashing the same mundane stuff over and over.
I know I dont like seeing 6 new shocks and springs threats in the same week.
Same for tires, wheels,seats,harnesses,sway bars, etc...
If something new comes along we all tend to participate, and chime in.

 

Which Koni's are you talking about?

Red
Yellow
revalved yellows
8041's
3011's
2812's

I have 3011's and I'm very happy, but which shocks are you looking at?

 

I recently changed from Koni Yellow/GC to PIC selects. What I liked about the PIC's was that they change the valving of the shock depending on which spring rate is chosen so they are closely matched to the springs. Off the shelf yellow's can't do that. Plus the preload adjustment which allows more adjustability on the track. It also allows you to adjust the ride height and corner weights independent of the shock piston travel.

The way I thought of it when I upgraded was that the Koni Yellow/GC was an awesome combination when they came out which was 10+ years ago. There have been some advancement made in the suspension areas in hondas/acuras. I think PIC have taken these advancements and employed them in a great package with reasonable price.

Both set ups will work great. For my money I switched from Koni/GC to PIC and I couldn't be happier.

 

Good to hear this... kuz im getting PIC. It suits my budget and application. Mostly DD and somewhat AutoX. You cant really get to specific when your DDing your car. Unless its your Project car. Get either one and you'll be happy....

 

I am not in the Honda scene anymore however I'd offer up my experience with the PIC R3's. They are a great coilover for the budget minded racer and offer excellent feedback and single adjustability. I built a 230whp Civic EG that weighed about 2100 lbs dry that I run at Sebring mostly seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQS31ITX8HI

I am only a few seconds off the World Challenge TC pace and all for $1,000 i think i picked these up for. Definitely a quality piece OTS. I just slammed them on the car and tuned them over a couple of sessions for my driving style (didn't take long to adjust them to my liking) and voila!

 

i was saying that the shock dyno's seem to be on par with the koni's what is wrong with that. I'm not saying that the PIC's are as good , but merrily saying that the shock dyno's seem to be on par with one another.

i'm sorry yes just the standard koni yellow/gc setup the ones that cost around the same as the PIC's selects

as far as wich car it's going on it's not important i just want to compare the two products for for motorsports applications (track, autocross, time attack, honda challenge, ect)

i've search over and over again.
All the threads tend to cover wich is better street cars and dont seem to focus on racing aplication.
i want to know which you guys profer that have actually used them for motorsports
if possible compare the two pro and cons of both.

"cdntegintx" and "EleanoR" thanks for your input

 

the dynos are not on par. The two shocks have different types of valving. The adjuster mechanism is different. You cannot infer anything about the quality of the shocks from such simplistic dyno information.

 

With the new Vb format, the method of searching has changed a bit. Here's a brief tutorial to return the best results:
**Start the CORRECT search by selecting "Advanced Search" from the Search drop-down menu**
1. Type in a generic search term, like "suspension." If you type in "suspension 1995 EJ9 coilovers" you'll return squat.
2. Select "Search Titles Only" to limit the results. Otherwise, you'll get 76% of all the threads ever made in the RR/AX forum.
3. In the lower right "Search in Forum(s)" box, select "Road Racing/Autocross" to further limit the results to the type of topic you're looking for.

You still haven't specified what car, or what type of driving other than "racing."

Furthermore, searching for "PIC" using the criteria above returned 193 results. On the first page were these two threads, which would've answered your question (I'm purposefully ignoring the other 175 results, as I don't care):
https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...&highlight=pic
https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...&highlight=pic

That took about 10 seconds to find. Search harder next time. *LOCKED*